I was thinking about how it became common for people in the West to think that the more monotheism a religion has, the more intellectually superior it is, but my opinion is that it’s exactly the opposite, that monotheism is the first stupid idea an undeveloped mind of a fanatic will come up with, and rather than being all-encompassing and all-inclusive, it usually ends up being extremely reductionist and exclusive, quite hostile to any form of difference in opinion or understanding.
Trinity can be a sophisticated theistic way of illustrating God’s connection with the world and his interaction with human spirit. Any other stance will quickly degenerate into deism, removing God from any possibility of contact with the world other than the point of creation.
However, Hinduism shows the flexibility that is possible when someone doesn’t care about whether something is monotheistic or not, but whether it is a good explanation of reality or not. In Hinduism, you can have brahman, the transcendental Absolute, manifesting as both the Gods and the world, the Gods can manifest different aspects of brahman, and God-states are described as male-female couples, like Radha-Krishna or Shiva-Shakti, where male and female versions of the same spiritual state are described as behaviorally completely different. Also, God can choose to incarnate as his own worshipper in order to feel the taste of his own being from another perspective. There is also a concept of God incarnating together with his companions, basically Purusha-level spiritual beings who all participate in the same level of consciousness, in order to be able to manifest this level of consciousness on the physical plane.
All the while, the Hindus will have no problem with the statement that all Gods are brahman, or that an entire plane of existence is Krishna, or that God can simultaneously be personal, impersonal, incarnated, incarnated as a group of people simultaneously, incarnated in different aspects having a relationship, being pure knowledge and being a source of a special kind of ignorance (yogamaya).
Basically, that’s what you get when sophisticated minds explore complex ideas. They end up with stuff that actually makes you think, not just Allahu akbar like a zombie.
So they are completely separate concepts? Did ancient Hindu had contact with extraterrestrials if they saw “alien astronaut”? Maybe it was series of visions induced by Soma?
Honestly, I think Hinduism isn’t a religion, it’s a civilization, one that developed over thousands of years and engulfed other civilizations with their religions, and it is pointless to try to make sense of it as a whole, because the whole doesn’t really exist. Instead, I focus on the highest, most sophisticated parts and simply disregard the rest as unimportant for my purpose.
May I ask why are you forcing the question of extraterrestrials?
Why shouldn’t I do that?
I was wandering of what importance is that to you.
I find the topic important to explore. If we are doing everything to explore the universe, sooner or later possibility will arise for some kind of contact with other beings. That is regarding physical universe.
On the other hand, we can probably say that we are/were in contact with “extraterrestrials” from other non-physical realms like Astral. That happened probably first in neolithic time. Since then, shamanistic cultures use psychedelics to induce states of consciousness which allow communication with such beings.
So I find everything and talk with everyone I can regarding both these views on ET contacts
Unlike spirituality, I find the ET question moot. They either exist or not. If they exist, they choose to remain obscure and avoid interaction. In any case, their existence or lack thereof doesn’t influence my decisions in any way, and so, while I do remain curious, I don’t find the issue important enough to give it much thought. Spirituality is another matter, as it directly influences one’s decisions and actions on daily issues and determines one’s personal destiny.
I should also add that, regarding sentient extraterrestrial beings who are able to travel interstellar distances, our choice in the matter is negligible. If they want to kill us, enslave us or perform experiments on us, they will do so regardless of what we choose to do about it, because we have about the same degree of influence in the matter as cows have with us. The cows can moo, and we will still milk them and turn them into hamburgers just the same. If someone can fold space, you can do as much to them as bisons can to to our aircraft carriers.
I agree with you, but simply, this is a fascinating topic to me.
I have been thinking. If creation goes from Apsolut to more rigid substances, basically any God that wants to explore what It can create can make matter and eventually through evolution, life. Eventually there will be a body to inhabit that is perfect for incarnation in full spectrum to achieve mental and technological superiority to bend space and other things. In that working theory, aliens can exist but cant interfere here because of the bastard that made this world, and will not allow any interference from other Gods and their creations.
Honestly, I can’t know how things stand regarding this. I have several conflicting working theories, and insufficient evidence to either confirm or refute any of them. Regarding aliens, a few years ago I put on paper all the necessary but very low probability things that produced intelligent life on Earth, and I concluded that Universe is simply too small for that to happen even once, let alone twice. Some of those things have exceedingly low probabilities, like the one that resulted in a rocky planet having a long-term stable magnetic field on the order of magnitude that’s normal for gas giants. The odds are insanely bad just for that one thing. The second thing was that it took exceedingly long for life on Earth to produce multicellular organisms. Three billion years, to be more precise, and that’s having in mind that life almost certainly didn’t develop on Earth since there’s evidence of it that’s almost as old as the planet itself, basically you had life as soon as magma cooled down a little, and it still took three billion fucking years to produce anything more complex than a paramecium. And that’s considering that Earth had a perfectly well behaved star, only two major asteroid collisions in the last 250 million years, that almost everything is perfect for Earth and yet it seems to freeze over every half a billion years due to variations in thermal dissipation due to continental layout and fluid circulation. What was especially shocking to me was finding out that the Solar system actually has 3 planets in the Goldilocks zone – Mars and Venus would look like Earth if they had a strong magnetic field. The entire thing looks so incredibly set up I just can’t intellectually believe it being a “natural” occurrence, or being likely enough to happen at all, let alone more than once. As I said, people say that Universe is huge and it “can’t be” that life exists only here, and I believed that too, until recently when I saw what it actually takes. It’s possible, though, that the main form of intelligent life in the Universe is something completely different, like some medusa-like entity floating in the atmosphere of a gas giant, or a superconductive sentient computer on interstellar comets. I don’t know, and I have no evidence that would give me reason to consider it a realistic possibility.
Maybe silicon based lifeforms are possible? What/who in your opinion “set up” these perfect parameters which allowed for development of life on Earth?
I can’t be sure, but it weighs heavily towards the hypothesis that the entire Universe is a simulation and Earth actually is the “center” of the Universe.
Is that hologram principle theory from physics?
Maybe physical universe is just another level of consciousness, like astral and other planes of existence.
No. I mean it quite literally, that the entire physical Universe is an illusion, in a very exact translation of the Hindu concept of Maya – that it has the same type of reality as one of our videogames, a reality that takes place inside some machine. That the machine is astral doesn’t change much.
What actually made me think is the analogy – virtual reality always has the lower quality than the actual one, and the main impression of everybody with NDE experience, darshan or samadhi is that this is a lower-quality reality. This made me think, and when I did the probability analysis for multiple occurrences of intelligent life within this Universe it clicked: what if everything outside Earth is actually simulated with very low information density, and the limited lightspeed and immense interstellar distances serve the purpose of never being able to significantly increase the rendering distance and thus strain the capacity of the simulator?
So if we could get ship that travels in speed of light after some time of travel, we would see non rendered space, like if you play RPG game (like Skyrim) and you get to the edge of map and see just blurry distance?
This idea is explored in movie “The Thirteenth Floor”: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/
Notice the poster for the movie.
If we explore this idea, then I think of the question, what is the most distant point in universe we know it exists for sure (looking from Earth)? Maybe it is simulation, but it is probably ridiculously big space for simulation.
Well, basically everything we know about the Universe beyond Earth would fit on an 16GB iPhone. And I don’t believe we’d ever see “non-rendered space”, it would always be rendered on-demand, it’s just that it’s exceedingly difficult to extend the “explored part of the map” because the lightspeed is so slow.
That’s the theory, at least. And as far as my knowledge od the spiritual realms is concerned, it’s quite possible to make such a simulation because most of the capability is already built into the structure of the astral matter as such. I don’t know if that’s exactly what was done, but I cannot exclude the possibility based on my personal experience.
Do you know how that astral “projector” works? Who the hell even turned it on, is Sanat Kumara related to all this?
I know that global manipulation field works through astral and goes over on physical matter, maybe that whole physical simulation is just for enabling this field to work!?
Sanat Kumara owns the damn thing. He’s the spiritual being that modified some astral artifact and turned it into an artificial reality engine.
That’s why he has such terrible power, completely disproportional to his spiritual stature. He just owns that thing, and ownership gives him more-less total authority within it. Not only does he have “root permissions”, he controls the “hardware”.
At least that is my working theory. I might be wrong, but I have many parts of the puzzle and this narrative puts them all together in a way that I find almost satisfying. This might be actual meaning behind that story about Eve, snake and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God said “don’t touch this thing, it’s bad shit”. Snake said “it’s not bad shit, it’s great shit, try it”. And the “original sin” might be being seduced by Satan into connecting ourselves with this world in such a way that we can’t pull ourselves out anymore. But this is my interpretation which doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the authors’ actual intent.
Can you explain to me connection between Trimurti and Brahman itself? Is Trimurti something like tools/powers of the Brahman which shape creation?
Trimurti is a recent concept and formally elevates the triumvirate of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the maintainer and Shiva the destroyer above the “lesser gods”, and brahman is the concept of Vedanta, denoting “that which is the active compound of all Vedic rituals”, further expanded into “transcendental Absolute”. Those concepts were developed separately by different branches of Hinduism and it’s important to understand that not all Hindu concepts are from the same mind or from the same level of understanding. I’m quite sure that Ganesha is more likely to be a cargo-cult interpretation of some alien astronaut with the oxygen tube protruding from a helmet interpreted as elephant’s head with a trunk, than an actual deity.
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