Morality along the fault-lines of the last world war

There’s one significant difference between Putin and Hitler: I know for a fact that the negative propaganda about Putin is bullshit. Furthermore, it looks increasingly like the image of both was created by the same people.

But imagine if America managed to provoke, start and win a nuclear war with Russia, and if our descendants were reading the history books written by the winners. What do you think would be a conclusion that a rational person would end up with after being brought up on such sources? And that’s what worries me, because history books are not the only thing that is written based on the results of wars. It’s also the international borders and the international laws. Who sits in the UN security council? The winners of the last world war. Who introduced the concept of “human rights” as basis of legal doctrine? The winners of the last world war. Who controls the world reserve currency? The winners of the last world war.

And what happens if the winners of the last world war are no longer the most powerful actors on the world stage? They aren’t relinquishing their power without another world war that would reset the fault-lines of power.

That’s what I mean as world war being a social thermodynamic phenomenon: it is an artifact of entropy. When there’s too much of a difference between nominal and actual power, a sociological equivalent of a hurricane arises in order to mix up the fluids and re-establish entropy.

The problem with humans is that victors are by definition “good”. Whoever wins a world war is “good”, and whoever loses is “evil”. I listened to an Obama’s speech once, at a D-day memorial, where he stated that there was a clear line between good and evil in that war – meaning, the Americans were on the good side, the Nazis were on the evil side. But if the Nazis happened to win, there would be a similarly clear line between good and evil drawn in the history books, only with the roles reversed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_uC0wy_O90

As I said, I can’t be sure about the facts regarding Hitler. Sometimes he seems very reasonable and his moves justified, and I managed to clear up a few points of contention, where his moves appeared to be irrational until I found out the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6o84NU9Ees

Sometimes, however, he baffles me with incompetence, egomania and self-delusion. He certainly doesn’t look like either a good guy or a role model. What he does look like, is much better and far less evil than Stalin, and much better and less evil than Churchill. In any case, Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler killed Jews. That, in itself, makes you think. Churchill, on the other hand, seems to be the prime candidate for the historical role of the instigator of the WW2, and the direct cause of the destruction of the British Empire. Basically, he hated Hitler and the rise of Germany so much, he intentionally provoked Hitler into a military conflict, which was a Pyrrhic victory for the Brits; they never recovered from the blow they sustained and their international role diminished to that of America’s vassal state. If anything, Hitler seems to have been guilty of consistently implementing Putin’s principle of “when you see that the fight is inevitable, strike first”, which makes him seem like the instigator of all conflicts of the war in Europe. But don’t get me wrong: Hitler’s racial policies were evil. They follow the principle of collective guilt, collective punishment and reduction of individual soul to irrelevance, which is the exact opposite of a spiritually-centered attitude. What I’m asking is, how was Stalin better? No, there is no good there. If you ask Scylla, Charybdis is evil, and vice versa, but that doesn’t make either of them good.

And yet, we are supposed to believe that in WW2, good triumphed over evil, and that the very fact that something resembles Hitler or the Nazis is proof that it is evil.

Hitler advocated conservation of wildlife and nature, he advocated ecology, economic growth, employment and healthy industry, and believed in positive evolutionary criteria and a glorious future. Are those things also evil? No, something is not evil just because Hitler did it. He did many good things, advocated many healthy and rational concepts. The fact that he lost the war and committed some genuinely evil deeds doesn’t warrant using him as a measure of all evil.

Before the French revolution, if you asked a man in Europe what it means to be good, he would say “to be like Christ in virtues and deeds”. Today, the answer would probably be “to be unlike Hitler”. This is a shitty answer. I don’t buy that. You can’t define an apple by saying it’s unlike a banana. You can’t define Sun by saying it’s unlike a piece of coal. That’s why Celsius scale of temperature isn’t good – because the point of water freezing just isn’t cold enough, you need the point of atoms not moving at all, you need the Kelvin scale, and Hitler is very far from being the thermodynamic zero of mankind. Furthermore, even if we managed to identify a person that is the thermodynamic zero of morality, what then? Should we define “good” as being not similar to the worst asshole who ever lived? That’s supposed to inspire people? People need to worship heroes, they need great deeds to inspire them, they need to see great and noble examples and think, “I want to be like that one day”, not see the worst possible human and say “oh, at least I’m better than that”.

You might say that comparing oneself to Jesus might set the bar too high and induce feelings of guilt and unworthiness, but so what? Being significantly less than God is certainly less depressing than being somewhat better than the worst possible scum. Besides, every time you want to measure yourself, you get to look at God.

7 thoughts on “Morality along the fault-lines of the last world war

  1. “Besides, every time you want to measure yourself, you get to look at God.”

    This is actually a very interesting and cool approach, and maybe just a variation of some of the things you’ve said before but for some reason this angle works better for me. I’ve to improve my persistence (in general) but when I try this the results come in a split second; awareness improves and actions/behavior optimize.

  2. Human rights concept spread in the post WWII period because Hitler was defeated, but I blame the French revolution and the fall of the Ancien Regime. Both communism and democracy (and the US as a country) are the result of that revolution and the ideas spreading at the time. The concept of equality when applied to the economic sphere results in communism (in economic sense of the word), and when applied to the political sphere results in democracy. It’s the same thing, really. The reason why I dislike democracy is the same why I dislike communism, and I never understood how come communist countries are not democratic. The reason why the French, and others, are currently unwilling to accept the fault of Islam, is that they would have to reject the basic tenet of the French revolution – equality. Which is the modern religion. Deporting Muslims is a simple and effective solution, but doing so would spell the end of the current ideology, and since that can’t happen the Muslims and Islam must be equal, they just must. If that contradicts reality, so what. First we had the abolition of slavery, then Martin Luther King, and finally as we go more to the extreme, Black Lives Matter. We had democracy in general, then women’s suffrage, and then the current wave of feminism. Equality within the country, but not universally between the countries, followed by anti-colonialism, and finally hatred for Israel because they refuse to accept the surrounding countries as equal, and hatred for dictators for refusing to submit to the will of the average men. And that Jesus too, doesn’t really fit in. So he either did not exist, or he must have been the common man with inspiring speeches. There is no bar.

    • PS: To elaborate the last few sentences – it’s interesting to see how well the atheism fits in as well. Even the term itself (athéisme) was coined in France, although before the revolution it was more of an insult, and then with the revolution it spread like a wildfire, along with democracy and communism.

    • It’s all true, but I must concede that it was all caused by serious issues in feudalism, which concentrated power in very non-meritocratic ways, lending credence to all sorts of egalitarian concepts. But that’s a different issue.

  3. I don’t know, the thought of Jesus is so chewed over I really can’t feel anything inspiring, except when he was bitter angry and you mention exactly what about and why he said something. His metaphors were made for simple folk, so repeated by the Church, they just don’t shine ”Mahadevi” to me – that would be something to see. But I seriously hope God rips this VR apart soon, it’s weird how this “end-game” feels at the same time very close and so painfully slow process, no pun intended.

    I think no one has figured out Putin yet, his move, maybe he’s just that smart and cool poker player, but when I look into his eyes he seems ready, like mission-go ready today. This is why I believe there will be an “October surprise” this year, WWIII this year. Obama’s people will probably launch it, because they don’t want lose time. Everything is ready. This is the feeling I have

      • Maybe “people” who will actually be masterminds of that war (doubt such decisions are made by actual governments) and world wars, saw that it will bring so much destruction that even they could not escape from it and so they are preparing more “peaceful” measures, i.e. more subtler forms of control which are now well placed.

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