I’ve seen an interesting way of thinking in the Western jurisprudence, a sort of an extreme individualism which sees every possible guilt only on a personal level, disregarding even the very concept of collectivism.
And yet we constantly see how people act in groups, with group bonds of belief and emotions, which create common thoughts and joint actions. When you have thousands of football fans breaking each other’s heads, your problem doesn’t exist on the individual level. It’s not individuals performing those actions, it’s the groups. Individuals are just instruments which the abstract group entity uses to assert its dominance, attitudes and beliefs. In that sense, nations really do exist as entities with emotions and willpower. Football clubs really do exist not only as administrative entities and players, but also as an idea that binds the fans into a group entity, connected on some very basic common denominator.
It’s very easy to get sucked into binding your personal identity with some group. When you do, it’s important to understand that you don’t become more than yourself, you become less. You don’t become something larger than yourself by identifying with a group, a group becomes something larger than it was by increasing its membership. You, yourself, simply ceded parts of your identity, and replaced your individual, personal thoughts with collective thoughts, collective emotions, beliefs and goals. It then becomes possible for you to attack people you don’t personally hate, but you hate them as part of your group identity.
For me personally, it’s interesting how I became capable of truly understanding some things about biological conditioning and inclusion of animalistic mechanisms in spirituality only after I chose to stop self-identifying as human. I literally stopped seeing my identity as part of that of human race, and started seeing myself as a separate species, that is still close enough to human to reproduce with humans, but no closer than a dog is to a wolf. I started seeing through social and reproductive strategies that were usually seen as spirituality, and my entire perspective on ethics changed. For instance, humans have no ability to tell good from evil if you separate it from what’s good and bad for humanity. For instance, if somehow some other species evolved on Earth which was far superior to humans, and the absolute karmic law would demand that humans go extinct like the Neanderthals before them, the humans would view that as evil. If an absolutely better species needed to go extinct in order for humanity to go on, humans would choose themselves. That made me think: what if all other ethical opinions commonly held by humans aren’t what God would want, but what the self-serving humanity wants? God would want sat-cit-ananda to manifest. Humanity wants there to be more humanity. That’s all there is to it.
As I said, it becomes interesting when you dissociate yourself from the group you implicitly belonged to since birth. You start noticing things, the same way you’d notice things if you dissociated yourself from some more obvious social identity, only with more profound, more liberating consequences. One of the most important things you notice is that people aren’t very interested in the truth, they are more interested at “being right”, being on the right side, and the right side is the winning side. It’s just an animalistic instinct of wanting to be on the winning side, because those on the losing side are traditionally either killed or sold into slavery. Also, if one side offers no advantages to you if you pick it, you pick the other side. Truth, reality, that doesn’t even show on your instinctive mind’s radar. Truth is what the winning side tells. Reality is that the winners live and consume resources. That’s what mankind is about, not God, not truth, not manifesting sat-cit-ananda. It’s about who gets to live, reproduce and have resources. God is what is invented to rationalize the winning side’s right to do what it does, and to allow it to keep what it had taken. If a real, true God existed who would question the order of things, he would not be acknowledged as their God. Essentially, if you had a-prefixed deities, where “a” stands for “absolute”, aGod and aSatan, and humans could choose which one is God and which one is Satan, what do you think, how would they do it? Using rational philosophy, metaphysics and transcendental ethics? Or by the criterion of being allowed to live, reproduce and consume resources?
What do you think what Allah or Jehovah are, in the absolute sense? aGod or aSatan? An entity that lets your tribe kill, plunder and rape, own sexual slaves and demands blood sacrifices, does that sound like the sat-cit-ananda Absolute that created the dual Universe in order to manifest His fullness as a multitude? From where I see it, from my non-human position, it’s either completely fabricated, made up as a sick fantasy of warlords and madmen, or it was inspired by Satan as a system of belief that will bind humans into groups that are most useful for his goals of keeping souls bound in ignorance and sin, and leading them to perform sinful deeds that will propagate their enslavement to this place.
I once heard an interpretation that a division between God and Satan is within religions and not between them; between individual ideas and concepts and not so much between whole ideologies. But I wonder. Some ideologies, as a system, seem to be consistently promoting beliefs that are conducive to ignorance, bondage and resistance to any change from that status, and people assume group identities based on those ideologies, aligning their destinies with the group vector.
So yeah, think about that the next time you cheer for your country on the football championship, when you identify with others based on what OS runs on your computer or a phone, when you identify with others based on your species, race, nation, religion or other stupid bullshit.
The only thing you actually are, is what you are when you stand naked before the spirit of God, in His light. Every other identity is a descent into some illusion or another, promoting and propagating bondage and suffering. And guess from which perspective your actions are going to be seen and evaluated when you die?
Live your life in such a way that you can stand before God, stripped of any kind of collective identity, and have God see your life as his own, something that was His manifestation in the relative world of duality. Because where you’re going, there are no football clubs, nations, races, genders or religions, and the only true judgment that is passed on any action is whether it is of God, who is sat-cit-ananda.
Da, nevjerojatno je koliki se broj ljudi poistovjećuje sa raznim grupama. Primjetio sa u tom pogledu jednu stvar koja mi se nije svidjela, a za koju još ne nalazim objašnjenje. Određen broj ljudi u svojim ranim godinama, za vrijeme srednje škole i fakulteta, osjeća određen revolt i bunt spram društva, škole, nacije religije, te se općenito izražavaju kao ekstremni individualci i preziru taj osjećaj grupe. Neki od njih, naravno, se deklariraju kao fanovi određenog benda, kao pripadnici određene supkulture, ali često je i ta pripadnost supkulturi samo izraz bunta i gađenja prema bilo kakvoj pripadnosti. No, nadalje, primjetio sam da takvi ekstremni individualci, kad dođu u neke godine, kad “odrastu”, ožene se ili udaju te dobiju djecu; primjetio sam da se vrlo brzo konformiraju, te prigrle razne ideale koje su prije prezirali. Tako je primjerice moja teta, koja je kao mlada bila darkerica i koja je bila općenito, tada vrlo zanimljiva osoba, kad je došla u svoje tridesete godine, kao da je osjetila da se pošto poto mora udati, jer da joj je krajnje vrijeme. Upoznala je jednog čovjeka, veoma patrijarhalno nastrojenog, te je ubrzo organizirala vjenčanje. Vjenčanje je bilo toliko u nekakvom tradicionalnom, da ne kažem seljačkom duhu. Svadba se održavala u nekom restoranu u zagorju, muzika je bila narodna, bila je tamo hrpetina ljudi, sve je to mnogo i koštalo… Ma užas. Dok je išla prema oltaru, primjetio sam na njoj takav odvratan usiljeni smiješak, da mi se čitav njen život učinio kao velika pogreška. Prije samo deset godina, bila je zanimljiva mlada osoba, i da ste je tada pitali kakvo vjenčanje želi, vjerojatno bi zamišljala nešto jednostavno, u prirodi, uz mali broj ljudi i dobru glazbu. Dakle, poanta je, primjetio sam da veliki broj ljudi sa godinama izgubi individualnost i prigrli pripadnost grupi. zašto to ide s godinama, neznam ni sam, jer čini mi se da bi godine i zrelost trebale donjeti produbljenu individualnost s obzirom na to da se čitava osobnost razvija, i spoznaje se produbljuju. No čini se da većina ljudi s godinama umjesto da napreduje, degradira, te na kraju završe kao dementni starci o kojima se nitko ne želi brinuti, jer sa nikime tijekom posljednjih godina života nisu imali kvalitetan odnos. Ma užas, sve u svemu…
I agree with the assessment, but that does actually tell one volumes about this place and its spiritual effect. It is very successful at degrading souls. At spiritual evolution, not so much. When people hear that I think this world should be destroyed, they immediately start imagining all the “wonderful” things that will be lost. My response to this is “name one”. Basically what they come up with are things that are hundreds of times better in the astral world, and they don’t come with a hefty price tag.
yes, of course. i consider this place as a some kind of hellish existence too. It has to be destroyed and maybe rebuilt. Babaji said that pralaya will happen soon, and i hope he is right. Almost all religions, like Christianity, talk about end of the world that will come soon. You talked about it in your articles too. I hope you are right. The only thing that makes me worried is the fact that i have very sick mother (multiple sclerosis, advanced state), and she can not move, i have to put her in and out of bed everyday when she gets tired and can not even hold her head straight. She also can not go to the toilette or eat alone. I am afraid that people like her will suffer terribly when the world will come to its end. I hope somehow, she will be spared of all that horror. Maybe if pralaya can just wait for about 20 or 30 years, until she dies of old age, and happen after that. I know it is naive, to think that great and important event would wait for me or my mother, but still, i can not help myself, i fear for her. But still, you once compared this place and SK to an insane asylum where patients are horribly abused and mistreated. It is probably the best analogy that anyone could think of. That is why i know this has to end. Enough of the good, worthy people suffered and have been humiliated and degraded already. It is enough! Thank you for your answer!
I must admit I find your logic extremely contorted. This place is a hellhole and you have an example of a person trapped inside the worst case scenario, and you don’t want the hellhole to stop existing so that this person could suffer for another 20 to 30 years, because compassion. Really?
Yes, it seems like a contradiction, and yes the person is suffering. But still, in the worst case scenario, in that chaotic state… when all kinds of monsters emerge. All kinds of bad thing can happen to a person, i saw for example what was happening in Syria for last few years. People were tortured, humiliated, beaten to death, raped. And a sick person can not do nothing about it. You probably understand that i would rather choose next 30 years of sickness for my mother, because she has people that love her and take care of her, and she goes out every day, and she is writing her blog, reading books, she finds joy in life, although she is really very sick, but she is a fighter, i would rather choose next 30 years of that kind of life for her, than torture, humiliation, rape or something like that. I actually thought of buying a gun, or some kind of poison that kills without pain. So if hell would come to this earth, i would offer easy way out for all of my family. The thing you were probably thinking about when you asked me this is spiritual degradation. SO, if i knew that next 30 years would totally degrade my mother, of course i would choose worst case scenario over that. But i know she is strong, and a real fighter, and she will probably be stronger after this life, and a damn sickness. I hope i answered your question. In a few words, i do not want her to suffer terribly, i do not think anyone deserves that, and i would rather kill her myself than let her be tortured, raped or humiliated by some lowlifes. I hope that the pralaya scenario will be something like meteor hitting earth, or aliens starting a war with us. Something like that. That will than actually be the “best case scenario.”
People like you are the reason why this hell persists.
Why, i do not understand?
I know you don’t understand, but that doesn’t mean it’s not obvious.
It would be fair from you to explain yourself when you accuse someone you don ‘t know for such a bad things. It is a hurtful thing. Everyone has weaknesses and negative attachments, you think that you are without them?
It’s obvious, let someone else explain it to you, I don’t have time. But only this: if someone asked me to explain the mechanism of propagation of suffering, the way samsara works and how deluded souls actually support Sanat Kumar’s mechanism that maintains this world, you would be exhibit A.
Only that my old mother doesn’t see it, only that my kids grow up, only that my grandkids graduate and get married, then I might let go, maybe, if I’m forced to. But please God, don’t let it end, I’m afraid of death, I’m afraid of the unknown, I’m afraid of you, I don’t have faith, I will hide behind compassion for others which is in fact my own fear of suffering and death, but I’m such a spiritual person who can use spiritual jargon.
If you’re not ready to let go now, for each “now”, your spirituality is shit. If you’re afraid to let others suffer, it means you are afraid to suffer. What you actually believe is that the devil you know is better than the God you don’t know.
I think that you are wrong, and because of your bad experience with people in general, you jump to conclusions to fast. You don ‘t know anything about me or the way i live my life. I was actually very close to dying for about ten or 15 times, because of my own autodestructive behavior. I would give anything to be able to commit suicide, but without being guilty for that kind of thing, just to end my life and move on, just to move out of here. I am not afraid of death at all, i can not wait for my life to end. It is a fact, you don ‘t have to believe me but it is true. All the fears i have for my mother are because i do not want her to suffer terribly. I actually most of the time want her to die, so she gets out of here while she is still strong and mentally healthy. As i said, you jump to conclusions to fast because of your bad experience with people in general. i noticed that before. If someone does not support this shit on earth, it is me.
Think what you will, but I condemn you.
And i don ‘t give a fuck for your bullshit opinion anymore!You jump to your stupid conclusions without actually knowing something about a person. I was reading your books, buying them actually in bookstores when they were available, and i read all of your articles. And you say to me that i am the reason for hell that persists! Fuck you, you arrogant asshole! Now i will do exactly the same thing as my father, and i will end my respect for you. Maybe you are enlighted, and maybe you are some Super Angel or God incarnation, but if this is how real God look like, with the lack of compassion, and judging people for their human emotions, and with all of your arrogance… if this is how God look like, than i would really rather stay in this hell forever, than kiss your fucking ass. Your shit does not smell nice, you know? Who do you think you fucking are? You think that you do not have weaknesses, that you are perfect? How many times did you change your fucking opinions in the last 15 years? So if you were wrong about something many times, and you know that you were wrong, than why you are judging me that quickly? How do you know that you are not wrong about me? That thing you said can actually hurt people, bud apparently you don ‘t care about that. Fuck you! You are dead to me. I will not become your enemy, not because i am scared, it is far from that, but my respect for you is gone. And i understand why some people hate you and try to damage you. It is because you are an arrogant asshole, and you have no respect for human emotions, weaknesses… And you do have them, like everyone else. Fuck you, motherfucker! Go to your fucking heaven, or Vajra world, or who knows what, and leave the rest of us alone, to rot in hell with our dignity, we don ‘t need any of your bullshit anymore!
As I said, the likes of you are the reason why this hell persist and I condemn you. You will share the fate of this world.
As i said, your bullshit doesn’ t interest me anymore. You don’t know shit. You were wrong many times before, and you are wrong now. Probably this is your biggest weakness right now, thinking that you know everything that you can not be wrong and come to a wrong conclusion. And as i said, i would rather share the fate of this hellhole than kiss your arrogant ass.
“From where I see it, from my non-human position, it’s either completely fabricated, made up as a sick fantasy of warlords and madmen, or it was inspired by Satan as a system of belief that will bind humans into groups that are most useful for his goals of keeping souls bound in ignorance and sin, and leading them to perform sinful deeds that will propagate their enslavement to this place.”
Is there any chance that Allah and Jahweh are some kind of real evil entities, or maybe some aspects of SK, and not a fabrication? I am thinking about this “interventions” in Bible, or a “god” demanding sacrifice from Abraham of his son, or even 10 commandments, that they must have some basis in reality and not a complete myth.
From where I stand, it looks like Allah and Yahweh are the male take on Satan, and Wiccan Goddess is a female take on Satan. Conversely, Christianity, Vedanta and Buddhism are different takes on the nature of supreme reality and salvation from this shithole.
Yes, in my opinion Christianity only looks like one of those middle-eastern monotheistic religions, but is in fact an entirely different animal, like chemistry which inherits some names and concepts from alchemy but is a completely different concept.
Can you please clarify the Wiccan Goddess example? I didn’t even know there is one so I googled a bit and found the so called “Triple Goddess”. Her attributes seem to lack originality and there are some obviously bad ones, while the rest seem like the typical stuff that can be found in most of the pantheons. I just want to be sure I’m not missing out something since I probably have some blind spots here.
Oh, you can imagine. It’s not male but female, and since it’s female it gives birth to all things, it’s Mother Nature, essentially it’s worship of the physical world, of sensuality and physical experience. It was a common element of New Age beliefs, combined with elements of Vedanta, Yoga, Buddhism and Satanism.
Essentially, if you hear Satanists talk about Satan and Wiccans talk about Goddess, you soon realize they are not talking about different things; in both cases it’s worship and idolatry of the physical experience, and specifically of human physical experience.
Ah, so it is that after all. I wasn’t sure if in this case you were making a distinction between transcendental, mundane/biological, and sinister, or just between transcendental and non-transcendental.
It’s the distinction between religions that center around human experience and those that center around suprahuman, transcendental experience that seems indicative to me. For instance, when you read a Buddhist text about Tara as a teardrop of the Buddha, or tulku as manifestation of intent of an non-incarnated enlightened being whose compassion creates events of incarnation of helpful things, it’s obviously an attempt to explain some transcendental reality by means of metaphor. Christianity is almost completely made of that. However, there are some religions that obviously deal with very primitive concepts, such as God the tyrant who declares arbitrary laws and cruelly punishes disobedience, or religions that focus on blood sacrifices that are to be offered to some entity, or religions that basically glorify human instincts of reproduction and social emancipation. You therefore can’t say that all religions have the same origin, or quality, or that they are even the same general type of phenomena. Some are inventions of madmen, some are glorifications of the “perks” of the material existence, and some are genuine artifacts of transcendental realities.
So, instead of approaching religions as a whole, I wish to first clarify a few things and divide religions into those that appear to have a transcendental origin, and those that don’t. The problem, of course, is that one could very reasonably and justifiably say that malicious intent of evil spiritual beings, such as Satan, can be seen as a “transcendental source” of some religions, and I don’t necessarily disagree, but that essentially doesn’t change the nature of those religions – they are downwards-pointing, deceptive, spiritually empty and detract from transcendence.