The governments can’t seem to make up their minds on whether the vaccines are the ultimate solution, and everybody should get them, or they are completely worthless and everybody should keep wearing masks regardless of the vaccination status.
Also, it is quite annoying that they keep attacking people who decided not to get vaccinated, as if they are putting others (the vaccinated ones) in danger. That’s abject nonsense. If someone is more afraid of COVID than he is of the vaccine side effects (which are a serious problem since the manufacturers basically say they can’t take any responsibility for anything once you take them), go get vaccinated, but don’t bother me with your fears and force me to wear a mask or tolerate stupid measures. Get vaccinated and stop riding my nuts. I had COVID with the worst symptoms, and I think I had the mild version a year later (I never got tested because all the tests are fake). I got my immunity the hard way and I’m still missing parts of my lung capacity as evidence. I don’t care for the vaccine, because if my immunity didn’t produce antibodies the natural way, I certainly don’t trust the vaccine to do jack shit. Also, the virus is not the problem, the excessive immune response is. People who have COVID should be treated with something that reduces the excessive immune response, and the vaccine that just jacks up the immune system isn’t the right approach, from what I can tell.
Also, I am annoyed by the people who throw the word “science” around, in a sense where “science” is some kind of a dogma proclaimed by the scientists, which should be accepted unquestioningly or you’re basically at war with reason, truth and virtue. As far as I can recall, science is a method of discarding obviously false claims based on evidence, and of treating the claims that can’t be easily disproved with skepticism and conditional acceptance until something better comes along, as it invariably does. Also, there is no such thing as “scientific consensus”. That’s another term for “religious dogma”. Scientific consensus is that all claims are only conditionally accepted if they can’t be immediately rejected, and they are continuously tested with hope of falsifying them. If you don’t understand this, you don’t know jack shit about science and your education, whatever it was, was a regrettable waste of time and money.
Also to be noted, science works best when you personally practice the scientific method. The further you are removed from that, the less it has to do with science.
They are tightening the grip already:
https://sputniknews.com/europe/202107251083458719-french-senate-approves-controversial-coronavirus-health-passports-as-mass-protests-rock-nation/
The same kind of madness ready to errupt in Germany too as of this fall! … https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/latest-germany-warns-unvaccinated-face-restrictions-79044543
They are tightening the grip already:
https://sputniknews.com/europe/202107251083458719-french-senate-approves-controversial-coronavirus-health-passports-as-mass-protests-rock-nation/
It’s crazy how people “flip” about masks and vaccines when they or someone theirs either has bad symptoms or dies.
Just the other day a young guy said to me in discussion – I do not understand what’s the fuss about masks – you just put it on and get used to it. Why does it bother you?
He also said – Who is forcing you to get vaccinated, no one can force you.
I wasn’t quite sure how to respond to be honest, but it was a clue that I am going to be sidelined minority very soon if this continues. And it will continue because WHO recently announced that by 2023 plan is to vaccinate at least 70% of world population.
Reasoning behind masks and vaccines is pure insanity. And it’s spreading rapidly.
It’s spreading rapidly because “tests” are flawed and it’s casedemic, not pandemic. So every single thing abot it is fake and psy-op en masse.
Also, when the state is trying to force everybody to do something you can be sure there’s some evil involved, and those “vaccines” seem to be everything but safe and effective. Basically, they don’t protect against covid, and from what I’ve been reading, there are serious issues with them, from increasing the permeability of the blood-brain barrier to the spike protein accumulations across the body with unknown long-term consequences, so as far as I’m concerned, I’m not getting vaccinated and anyone trying to enforce it can go get fucked.
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1405877161991487494
https://trialsitenews.com/bioethics-of-experimental-covid-vaccine-deployment-under-eua-its-time-we-stop-and-look-at-whats-going-down/
This study is interesting, but it doesn’t tell much about vaccine. The tweet itself, on the other hand, is misleading and malicious. Yes, the study proves that S1 part of spike protein crosses blood-brain barrier, which is not good, but it doesn’t prove that the same is true for the whole spike protein (after vaccination) or the complete virus itself (although it probably is). Also, if there’s S1 circulating in blood after vaccine, there’s a lot more S1 circulating in blood after virus infection itself, and the study, from what I gather, is geared towards examining virus effects, not vaccines.
The study doesn’t prove any long-term effects or S1 accumulation as the longest they waited before dissecting mice was about one hour. It’s not surprising that liver clears most of the spike protein from the blood first, and lymph works to clear it from other parts of the system afterwards, but that takes much longer than an hour.
I’ve seen one other, Japanese study which I got from my hardcore antivaxxer sources that allegedly says that spike protein enters brain, but when you actually read it, it says exactly the opposite, they’ve also found spike protein mostly in liver, kidneys, and then to a lesser extent in other parts of the body, and none in the brain.
From old studies on mRNA vaccines I saw, I suspect that the difference between the two studies is the place of injection. If you inject spike proteins directly into blood, of course it will circulate through the whole body before it gets cleared, brain included. This is why you get vaccinated in the arm muscle instead of the vein; you want vaccine to get to lymph system, not blood, as lymph system is elemental to producing antibodies. I haven’t seen any studies proving long-term accumulation of either virus or vaccine, and I suspect that’s because nobody expects that any kind of foreign protein can survive in the body long-term, so it’s not even in question. Body is a pretty efficient machine that knows how to handle biological garbage.
In any case, this study is actually a reason to get vaccinated; vaccine should produce minimal amount of spike protein, much lesser than virus infection itself, so you have minimal chance for it to get in the brain in case of vaccine, and greater chance with virus infection which overwhelms body with spike protein.
I have to say that I’m very far from an expert, and combing through all incorrect, incomplete, and partly wrong information about the vaccines is incredibly difficult, and I hate everybody who disseminates incomplete and partial information with great passion, and that goes for the official sources first and foremost. Whichever way this goes, official sources bear the greatest burden for everybody who dies because they tried to control information to make people do what they wanted, instead of being completely transparent as their job requires.
Disclaimer: I got my second shot few weeks ago. It does pay to be cautious, and I would have waited even longer if I could. My current view is that we’re now in the kind of milestone where vaccines are pretty much thoroughly tested, and not getting vaccinated is increasingly the greater risk then getting vaccinated. Even if you don’t get vaccinated though, you’ll probably be fine, because newer strains are more infectious but less severe. The issue is now not the Western world, but Africa, Asia and South America, where very few people are vaccinated, and which are now incubator for the new strains.
Erm, when inventor of mRNA technology says “we should stop and look what’s going on” … we should probably stop and look what’s going on 🙂
Also, professors on molecular biology are sort of impressed with mRNA technology and possible “long term effects even after 10 years” (heard it second hand from a student).
So yeah, they are not tested. You are testing it for the next 10 years.
Also, why forcing it in such magnitude and playing “irresponsibility, think of others” card?
This truly is pandemic, but political not biological.
Agreed, it’s a pandemic of political (and economic) stupidity, sprinkled with lies and misinformation.
I too am impressed with mRNA technology; in some way, we got really lucky that CRISPR is relatively mature technology at this point (original research was published in 2012). Just a few years ago we’d have to rely only on vector vaccines, which have to be grown and can’t just be printed and thus produced extremely quickly.
As every technology, it’s a double edged sword. If you’re worried about mRNA vaccines, which just produce proteins for a few days or a week max (mRNA doesn’t last very long) and then let your immune system react to it, just wait until this stuff is used for its original purpose of gene editing. It’s already successfully used to rewrite genes of sickle cell disease patients, it’s recently been approved for treatment of Alzheimer’s, and research is ongoing on treatment of a bunch of genetic diseases including personalized cancer treatments. That stuff WILL have long-term effects as it will literally rewrite your genes.
Do you really believe this thing is developed to treat Alzheimer?
Or perhaps – they found a great way to do massive experimental testing AND get people used to regular shots and then you simply adjust genetics, step by step, to your liking turning people into exactly what you want them to be, especially those opposing mainstream?
Maybe a bit more passive? A bit more submissive? A bit more consumerish? No, wait, they do not need to do that one …
At this point, which seems more likely?
I find that theory overly optimistic about what gene editing can do. At this point they’re still experimenting with editing a single gene, and even if they knew what to change throughout several genes, it’s not likely that behavior can be coherently modified by modifying DNA.
I’ve long given up on the idea that there’s some evil mastermind in his evil mansion pushing buttons; there’s just a bunch of people with different interests trying to push their agenda, and an even bigger bunch of completely incompetent people blocking any constructive action, be it good or evil. If there’s an evil mastermind somewhere, he’s most likely crying in desperation as he can’t do anything done.
If a simple conspiracy theory where you have a single villain would be true, that would be excellent, because there is a single person you can lock up or kill, and that’s way easier than battling different stupid ideas which just can’t seem to die and tend to infect even smart people, because they are easier to comprehend than actually observing and fully understanding reality.
Or, in other words, if someone is trying to manipulate people to be more passive and submissive and modify their DNA through vaccines, he’s failing miserably, because if anything, it seems to me that resistance to vaccines is growing. If they had behavior-modifying vaccines planned and ready in March 2020, most people would get vaccinated in a heartbeat. This, now, is awfully bad planning and even worse execution.
I did not say they are trying to do it with COVID vaccines, I said they are testing and experimenting with COVID vaccines and getting people used to being vaccinated every year.
Also, I do not think there is a single mastermind in hidden palace, I think it’s organization of people because I can’t imagine how else would everyone sing the same tune without a conductor in the background.
I believe I have an idea how. They’re all reading the same stuff, operating in a same way, thinking in the same way, and it’s kind of logical that they all do the same. It’s not coordination, it’s the same bureaucrat built in the same factory doing same things. The reason it’s extraordinary hard to believe they’re not coordinated is because it’s scary how they all think the same. Every time I grasp pieces of their thought process I get scared shitless, and it’s a deep existential fear for my individuality, because the next logical thought is to ask if I’m an individual, or also just a whirlpool of humanity’s thoughts that happened to stick during my lifetime.
I’ve been in position to watch Bitcoin since it was just a piece of open source code on GitHub and an economic experiment to create the only hyperdeflationary currency, to the point where it’s become completely mainstream. During that time, crpypto has propagated from completely fringe cyberpunk community, through right-wing libertarians, and then Wall Street and bankers, celebrities and companies, to regulators and central banks. I’ve learned a lot about how all of those function watching them contemplate something I know intimately and much better than any of them. Regulators and governments are undoubtedly the worst of all of them, they have only two thoughts: “wow another harmless innovative tech, ‘it’s the future!’, let’s give it a pat on the back, good little tech” and (mostly) “must… protect… people… let’s ban it by imposing restrictions on what our people may do with it… must protect people from people”. Those two impulses are completely predictable, and each of them always comes from the same branches of government.
In case of the beer sickness, the first response is obviously not applicable, so they all defaulted to the second one.
There were minor variations, with varying levels of success, but generally all failed to contain the virus and had great success in restricting liberties of their people. The only two notable countries which did rather good long-term were Singapore and Sweden, the first being example of restricting liberties but being rather flexible about it and succeeding to contain the virus, and the second one preferring not to restrict any liberties and almost failing, but still doing better than most and setting up their population to be relatively resistant to new strains in the future.
There is something very mainstream in your line of thinking, not just this post, but all latest posts, I can not exactly explain what, like you are in “left defense” mode or something, not sure.
First of all, most of today governments are “in compliance” with whoever is running things and they have been “introducing democracy” everywhere where that was not the case.
So, if they think the same it was because they were filtered and selected to do exactly that.
Also, they were thinking the same for quite some time now, but never so “in tune” like now. Almost like they got notes from the conductor which song to sing and how.
So, you’re saying that my question whether I’m even an individual might be warranted. Fair enough. 🙂
You conveniently forgot the only country in the world which actually beat the virus, completely – China. And that was a year ago. Since then they only had to occasionally deal with the virus at entry points, when it was brought from abroad. I’m somewhat familiar with Singapore because I know some ethnic Chinese living there, so let me just say that Singapore decided to tank its economy in order to fight covid, introduced stricter measures than most countries, had a benefit of more compliant population than the West, had lots of people working from home because of covid – and didn’t actually beat covid. In fact (I quickly googled now) it seems that recently they had to tighten social-distancing measures before starting to gradually relax them again. On top of that SG has one of the highest vaccination rates. Now, granted, SG has a lot of migrant workers from Malaysia and is a city-state. I’ve seen “countries that handled covid the best” charts over the past year and almost all of them are based on pure opinion and not any hard data, and all avoid mentioning China but mention countries that were doing similar things just in a less effective way (South Korea or Singapore). The best part is inclusion of island countries that at the time did not yet have covid (or didn’t report it), which didn’t age well, and then months later when you check these charts it becomes obvious there was as much science behind them as behind covid itself. Just like that chart ranking countries based on how well they are prepared for a pandemic. US was at the top of the list, of course.
You know, I actually did consider mentioning China, but in the end didn’t because of the two things.
First, and most importantly, stat which I find most useful to measure success against the virus is deaths/1M pop, which is misleading with China. They have a huge population, and relatively small area of a whole China was actually affected with virus, so that number is a bit skewed in case of China.
And, secondary, I actually believe that Singapore handled it more successfully than China, even though I don’t approve their methods. But I admit that’s my subjective view based on just one video about their response that I watched, and there’s no chance in hell you’ll get me into discussion about it because, as I said, it’s my a bit half-baked subjective impression, and I don’t really care about spending time to correct it. So if you say they actually tanked their economy and didn’t manage to restrict measures to a very short period, which is the only way strict measures make sense, I’ll stand corrected and say that it’s a definitive proof that strict measures didn’t work anywhere. 🙂
The stat you use shows that China did 100% better. You completely ignored the fact that the virus was geographically contained because of effective measures introduced by the government, and made it sound as if the virus simply refused to go further.
Yes, China has 3 deaths per 1M people, and Singapore has 6. Both are very low numbers, but China is a big place, while Singapore has less than 6M people. If you compare just the Wuhan area, which has more than 8M people, they had more than 3800 deaths (which is disputed, but let’s say that’s a very conservative number). Would it be fair to compare Singapore and Wuhan? I think not, Wuhan was significantly disadvantaged as an outbreak area, and I think the same is true for China & Singapore comparison as well. The difficulty of comparing relevant data was the reason I avoided using China as an example.
P.S. And I would like to point out to you that virus was not contained, it spread out of China and reached other countries including Singapore.
By whom are Chinese deaths disputed? I’m going to keep poking you whenever you type something under the influence of American propaganda. 🙂 Why didn’t you feel the need to dispute any other numbers? Because America trained everyone to dispute only enemies.
I saw no proof that virus spread out of China. It could’ve spread into China, and was merely detected there first. But that’s not the point here. You’re basically saying that virus was in China, but didn’t spread in China (and therefore China doesn’t count). Despite being in the center of China right before CNY. Instead, virus supposedly only chose to travel via airplane to other countries. Because it saw first-hand how oppressive the Chinese government is and didn’t want to remain there. I mean, pick the argument, one or the other. Can’t have both. Virus was contained, but of course not in a sense that there was absolutely none out of the containment field. If China easily dealt with the remnants, why didn’t SG or Sweden, which were forewarned, and are, as you say, better at fighting covid?
Actually, your idea of comparison is not bad. Pick any 1M+ Chinese city outside of Hubei province and compare deaths/1M pop to SG or whoever else. Then compare economy. Then compare actual freedoms/restrictions of the people living there. Multiplied by time these measures were/are in effect. Then you get to see just how ridiculously effective Chinese measures were. Not to mention, I don’t see end to covid in other countries. It could go on forever – except in China – which means that Chinese advantage increases over time. Oh and, North Korean measures were even more effective if we purely look at deaths/1M. 🙂 Yes I’m doing this on purpose because I know you’re traumatized by Yugoslavia and communism. 😉
By Chinese scientists.
It’s not me who’s disputing the numbers, I’m willing to work with lowest number I found, it’s high enough to prove my point.
Well, I saw no proof that virus was present anywhere else before.
Yes. That’s a testament to China’s effectiveness. The fact it spread outside China is China’s failure to contain it to Wuhan. I’m sorry if that hurts your feelings, but those are the facts. ;P
No, I’m not saying it doesn’t count, I’m saying that it’s a complex example which can’t be isolated and compared based on a simple criteria, which is why I’m avoiding using it, and picking a dataset that actually tells me something meaningful.
I do not understand why are you even discussing who contained virus better – this virus is not pandemic or it is pandemic nearly the same as the season flu.
Especially since all official numbers are complete bullshit both in infections and deaths.
A year ago, when probably half of Croatia was infected, we had like 1000 cases. Are you kidding me?
And then they pumped number of deaths any way they could. Some out of ignorance (shit loads of people were killed on respirators and I know this for a fact), some for financial gains (to get covid financial package) and some because they are plain stupid.
I am also certain a lot more people died and will die due to unnecessary disruptions (cancer, heart disease and many others that need specific medical care) than from actual covid complications (severe immune response that is).
Pandemic virus kills 10% world population or more. That’s pandemic. Meaning, by now we should have 700 million dead people. That’s pandemic proportions. That needs to be contained with every measure possible.
Stop advocating this Covid bullshit.
I am not even going to waste time analyzing in depth that study you just linked, to see how accurate it is and whether I could find some flaws. Because, ironically, it proves my points and refutes yours.
1. Just the other day you told me that you think people in China have to toe the party line and are afraid to say anything (like in Yugoslavia), hence what you see as “forced patriotism”. And now you link a study, by Chinese scientists no less, that dares to correct official government claim. Such insolence. They are probably in re-education camp by now. 🙂
2. You watched one video on Singapore and that was enough to draw conclusions. Nothing disputable or suspicious. But China can’t be trusted, and so you read who knows how many studies and checked who knows how many sources. Here’s another poke to get that layer of subtle American propaganda out of you. 🙂
3. This study claims that in China there were a few thousand more covid deaths than official statistics claim. In a country of 1,4 billion. In a country that first detected the virus. In a situation where tests themselves were (and are) unreliable. So according to the study you linked Chinese official covid stats are one of the most (if not the most) accurate in the world. Every covid stat is a rough estimate anyway. There are Western countries that indirectly claim they eradicated flu (because everything is covid), and no one bats an eyelid, but let’s make ten studies to see if perhaps Chinese doctors misdiagnosed two people because that could unravel government conspiracy.
There are enough indications that could be the case, and you made an argument as if you’re 100% sure you know what happened.
Again, you use completely arbitrary set of criteria on what is success and what is failure. Just like with one child policy. China failed compared to who? Mexico and USA? What did they do to contain the swine flu? What did the US do to contain the “Spanish” flu? They knew the soldiers were infected and still sent them to Europe. You’re claiming China failed to contain a virus that we don’t even know started in China. And even if it did, China did much more about it than any other country in the known history of the world, and so calling it a failure is as misleading as saying that China failed to contain a typhoon in South China Sea, which then swirled to nearby countries causing death and destruction.
Oh and, I quickly googled Sweden. You said it didn’t restrict any liberties. But it did. The number of people that can gather is limited. “Venus serving food and drink must close by 8pm”. High schools and universities were closed. I’m not familiar with Sweden so I’ll leave it at that instead of digging more.
I think we should do exactly that – simplify criteria.
Let’s only count countries that beat covid (no deaths; one or two deaths don’t count) or prevented it from entering in the first place, and countries that have covid but at least have no restrictions of any kind (except maybe when entering the country). As you see, this is completely opposite of your approach where countries with restrictions + covid, for over a year with no end in sight, are some kind of role models. It’s been over a year and their restrictions didn’t eliminate the disease. Just give it up man, let people live and die.
I’ll start the list and you can continue:
China (no covid for a year)
North Korea
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I don’t have time to respond in length right now, but I promise we’ll touch more on China later. In the meantime just a few quick responses.
First, I didn’t mention China, not because I think they had a bad response, but because it’s a complex topic I wanted to avoid here. It’s not that I don’t have thoughts about China’s response that’ll ruffle your feathers, but I didn’t say a lot about what I think, but you assumed that I did, so a lot of your attacks are misdirected. For example, I said data on Covid deaths in Wuhan is arguable, and I meant just that, that I can’t find absolutely definitive data. I didn’t say I think that death toll is larger. I said that even if it is, my point that if you compare Wuhan with Singapore makes Wuhan look worse. And that it’s not a fair comparison, not because I want to prove that China did worse in Wuhan, but because I think that China had worse starting conditions in Wuhan that are not their fault.
When I say China failed to contain virus, that’s all I’m saying. Of course they failed, because virus was spreading from China even before it was identified. IT’S NOT CHINA’S FAULT. Virus was first identified in Wuhan in December. The first case in Italy was identified in February. It was the same strain, so it’s quite obvious that it somehow travelled from Wuhan to Italy. It’s very unlikely it came from Italy to Wuhan. We can talk about how it was made somewhere else, and leaked in Wuhan, or that it’s just a strain of a flu, or whatever, but it’s quite undisputable how it spread, and it’s evident that China failed to contain it because it spread before they managed to identify it.
Google Sweden some more. Here’s a link to one random recent article about them. They mostly issued recommendations, instead of restrictions, for example, for the whole time masks were just the recommendation. If you didn’t want to wear mask, you didn’t have to. Their chief epidemiologist is a smart man who basically said that masks don’t do anything and held his own even though he was attacked for it. You say they closed schools and universities; they didn’t, or to be more precise, there was a short period where they did, but classes continued online for the whole time. I’ve been secretly rooting for Sweden for a while, and even though for a while their strategy seemed to be the losing one, I believe they’re in much better place now than most countries that established paranoid measures that in the end didn’t work. Honestly, I’m happy we had Sweden on one end, and countries with extremely restrictive measures, since now we can measure the efficiency of both approaches.
As for comrades in North Korea, I would find it hilarious if they were the only country in the world with no infections, but alas, their borders are not as impenetrable as people think, especially on Chinese side (I’m not saying China is bad, just that they don’t hate China as their other neighbors!), and while it’s hard to find reliable data, it seems they are also affected: https://www.dailynk.com/english/sources-almost-200-soldiers-have-died-covid-19/
I don’t have time to respond in length right now, but I promise we’ll touch more on China later. In the meantime just a few quick responses.
First, I didn’t mention China, not because I think they had a bad response, but because it’s a complex topic I wanted to avoid here. It’s not that I don’t have thoughts about China’s response that’ll ruffle your feathers, but I didn’t say a lot about what I think, but you assumed that I did, so a lot of your attacks are misdirected. For example, I said data on Covid deaths in Wuhan is arguable, and I meant just that, that I can’t find absolutely definitive data. I didn’t say I think that death toll is larger. I said that even if it is, my point that if you compare Wuhan with Singapore makes Wuhan look worse. And that it’s not a fair comparison, not because I want to prove that China did worse in Wuhan, but because I think that China had worse starting conditions in Wuhan that are not their fault.
When I say China failed to contain virus, that’s all I’m saying. Of course they failed, because virus was spreading from China even before it was identified. IT’S NOT CHINA’S FAULT. Virus was first identified in Wuhan in December. The first case in Italy was identified in February. It was the same strain, so it’s quite obvious that it somehow travelled from Wuhan to Italy. It’s very unlikely it came from Italy to Wuhan. We can talk about how it was made somewhere else, and leaked in Wuhan, or that it’s just a strain of a flu, or whatever, but it’s quite undisputable how it spread, and it’s evident that China failed to contain it because it spread before they managed to identify it.
Google Sweden some more. Here’s a link to one random recent article about them. They mostly issued recommendations, instead of restrictions, for example, for the whole time masks were just the recommendation. If you didn’t want to wear mask, you didn’t have to. Their chief epidemiologist is a smart man who basically said that masks don’t do anything and held his own even though he was attacked for it. You say they closed schools and universities; they didn’t, or to be more precise, there was a short period where they did, but classes continued online for the whole time. I’ve been secretly rooting for Sweden for a while, and even though for a while their strategy seemed to be the losing one, I believe they’re in much better place now than most countries that established paranoid measures that in the end didn’t work. Honestly, I’m happy we had Sweden on one end, and countries with extremely restrictive measures, since now we can measure the efficiency of both approaches.
As for comrades in North Korea, I would find it hilarious if they were the only country in the world with no infections, but alas, their borders are not as impenetrable as people think, especially on Chinese side (I’m not saying China is bad, just that they don’t hate China as their other neighbors!), and while it’s hard to find reliable data, it seems they are also affected: https://www.dailynk.com/english/sources-almost-200-soldiers-have-died-covid-19/
If my attacks seem misdirected it’s because sometimes I intentionally go on a tangent 🙂 to cover some popular opinion that might not necessarily be yours, so don’t take it personally. That part in a previous msg, “Just give it up man..”, was actually directed at Western countries. I just couldn’t word that sentence differently. Anyway, my pet peeve is double standards and fake news, so you’re not going to ruffle my flaming feathers regardless of whether you take a communist, fascist, or libertarian view of what China is doing. I’m used to people having different views than mine. It doesn’t bother me as long as their arguments are consistent with their world view in general, and even if that’s initially not the case it won’t bother me if I see they are interested in truth.
About Sweden, the restrictions are milder, but they also include the most important political restriction – inability of Swedes to protest (because large gatherings are not allowed). On top of that, Swedish death toll is supposedly 10x higher than that of neighbouring countries (Finland and Norway), although it can be debated how much weight that has. Either way, I don’t think Sweden can be included in any rankings at the moment because it’s an experiment that isn’t over yet. As Mao said when they asked him what he thinks of the French Revolution: “It’s too early to judge.” Chinese thinking, what can I say. 🙂 There’s a reason Domazet called Sweden (in relation to covid responses) a lab rat for the West, a control group (sth like that). So far 78% of adults in Sweden are already vaccinated, with experimental mRNA vaccine. 9 out of 10 Swedes stated in a poll that they plan on getting vaccinated.
I mentioned North Korea for the fun of it. It’s not like I would recommend their model. Yes, I also read they had some infections (deaths unknown), which is not unrealistic because there is some exchange at the Chinese border, but I had no way to check what’s going on. As you said, it’s hard to find reliable data.. and then you pointed me to South Korean media. 🙂 It’s like checking Taiwanese media for news on mainland China, or American media for news on Cuba. Some of it is true, but without doublechecking I can’t base my views on it. How many times did North Koreans execute someone only for that person to be later seen in public..
I want to add sth because I think it’s relevant when evaluating covid responses (and in general). People in the West see themselves as liberal and freedom loving. But if you transported here some tropical natives they would find themselves in a place where they can’t even walk around.. (half)naked. What’s a complete non-issue to one group is oppression to another. For this reason I avoid criticizing Singapore’s gung ho approach (yes, I intentionally used that term because the original Chinese meaning and different Americanized meaning illustrate my point). People there have different views than I have, but at the end of a day they’re the ones living there, which does count for something. Plus, SG measures were successful and reduced covid deaths to an insignificant amount. What SG did was consistent with local culture and the population feels (and rightly so) that the government is working in their interest. On the other hand the response of Western countries is complete bs on every level. Covid deaths are high and the numbers are completely made up one way or another. Restrictions are chaotic, confusing, contradictory and half-assed (as if the goal is to annoy or discipline the population). Covid wrong-think is heavily censored. Vaccines used are experimental, introduced in a very shady way, and in a way contrary to free market principles. Everything that’s going on is so unwestern that it’s obvious something’s up. For that reason I prefer Singapore because the feeling is “what you see is what you get”. All the Western countries I’d rank at the rock bottom because they’re intentionally deceiving me and it looks like they’re preparing to majorly f*** me up. This includes Sweden because that country is toeing the Western party line all the time, and now I’m supposed to believe they suddenly developed independent thinking. I don’t buy that. Especially since their “recommendations” are still similar to what the other Western countries are doing, and the vaccines they allow are the same.
Well, nobody is saying that Sweden was exceptionally successful in preventing deaths. But mainstream media went out of their way telling us that Sweden will have a huge death toll because of the weak measure, and lo and behold, there’s a bunch of countries who applied strict measures with more deaths. Sweden actually falls right in the middle by the number of deaths if you compare EU countries, so they were actually – average.
Finland had rather weak restrictions for most of the time as well, so they are more alike than different from Sweden. Also, Sweden deaths are way below UK and Poland, and not so much above Germany, and Poland and Germany (especially Germany!) had much stricter restrictions.
My point? Strict restrictions are not the only way. Based on data, there’s even a good argument to be made that they’re counterproductive. Strict restrictions also can’t be easily dismissed, as few Asian countries demonstrated. Strict restrictions work best when applied very early, when infection is extremely localized. When virus goes global, it’s likely impossible to fight it with restrictions alone, you need a cure, and only then you have a chance. And current vaccines are not really a cure.
And all this is just epidemiology, without even considering any ethical issues, not to mention political, economic, and so on.
No. They just have the chief epidemiologist (Tegnell) who actually thinks for himself and practices the scientific method. Thanks to him, they’re the only country that tried something different – and that’s incredibly valuable.
Where would you have me look for a reliable source on Norh Korea? American media? 🙂
I mean, if you want dirt on someone, go to his enemies. Then compare with his official response. See what holds up. Yeah, hard to tell what the truth is, but I wager they got the virus.
P.S. I agree with your reasoning on Singapore, so I have nothing to add there.
I don’t have much to add to that either.
But you do realize that chief epidemiologist doesn’t make political decisions. If he was in someone’s way he would’ve been removed. It’s not like it didn’t happen anywhere else. And I would assume some chief epidemiologists initially shared his views but were pressured to change them. That’s what I was talking about.
Chinese restrictions are excellent at combating a virus that already spread all over the place. Of course, I’m also strictly talking about efficiency here.
I have some Tolkienish kind of thought on that one. 🙂 I believe that Dark Lord Saur… pardon, SK didn’t just get bashed to the primordial soup of kalapas but long time before that happened he put away some part of his spirit mass in many other vehicles, escape-pods or whatever we’d like to call it i.e. in incarnated humans who run things around here and are pushing this morona narrative, climate change falsehood and things like that to Great Reset the humanity and Build Satan back better.
Close. There are various attractors he strategically placed, structures made from high energy, and they are not uniformly mixed; Apparently, America as an idea and as a country contains a disproportionate amount. The concept of “modernity” is some kind of a focal point, as well.
Also, all those humans are basically incarnations of SK’s will and intent, and they are still here, following the goals they find natural and attractive, and I don’t even have to say what those are.
I think I don’t fully grasp if those structures made from high energy are still powered with that high energy as I had impression that they have been untangled from their high energy battery. I can guess those structures are still here on the Earth materialized because America is, unfortunately, still here with every new rise of the Sun but on what energy is it still running on? Is it like those LEDs that still keep emitting light for some seconds after the electric circuit they’ve been connected to is turned off?
I presume that non-incarnated part of global pandemonium has been wiped off for some time now as that one can be sent to void with yogic techniques of yours, but incarnated part is the bitch because it can go on forever and biologically reproduce ad nauseam at least until they piss off significant amount of people around, who they try to disenfranchise of their livelihoods and lives at the end with mandatory vaccinations, reducing their mobility and right to breath with CO2 taxing and so on, so angry mob finally puts them out of their misery.
Also, China and Russia are not in America’s pocket as globalists running Satan’s business from America would like them to be so I guess that their plans won’t play out as they’d like for them to happen so it hopefully buys enough time until some “Deus-ex machina” kind of event ends the whole game?
One way of looking at it would be to visualize it as a nuclear reactor which was set in motion once by inserting the fuel rods, and after that point it doesn’t require people in order to run, until the fuel rods have been depleted. Another way to see it is a minefield, which once deployed keeps doing damage according to the original design even if the army that set it had already lost the war, and the country that set it doesn’t exist anymore. Add some form of intelligence to it, powered by the power source, and you get the “scripts” I’m talking about. Imagine the T’Kon Portal from TNG, that’s not a bad image. Just keep in mind it’s merely an allegory; it is impossible for me to explain how it all *actually* works other than by showing it directly to a very proficient seer.
I did dismantle lots of it, but some of it seems to be contract-protected so I can’t touch it directly.
I’m kinda in-between here.
I don’t think their kind of gene splicing is smart enough to improve anything. It can add a sequence at a certain place, and I’m not even sure how well it can pick the place, but it can’t do sophisticated reworking of the genome. What it can do is damage things; sterilize people, damage their brains, introduce vulnerabilities that will shorten life. Reduce the human population.
The other thing this covidiocy does is allow them to easily differentiate between the obedient and disobedient parts of the populace, so that they can isolate and attack the only part of the populace that can pose a danger to their power. After that, they herd the rest like the sheep they are.
You had to acquire yourself covid ausweis for some reason? I think if you are cautious it doesn’t make much sense because I’d bet that governments would push in near future narrative like “due to the development of new strains and bla-blah-blah, even though you are vaccinated you’d require additional shots (until you die of natural or un-natural causes) … or … we won’t grant you liberties like going to restaurants, museums, state institutions or travelling because you spread virus although you got vaxxed for Nth time. 😀
Yesterday I read from some Croatian guy’s facebook status that recovered from COVID and got vaxxed with only one dose of Pfizer or something like that that he earned himself a new oximoronic title as he is now officially “Vaxxed antivaxxer”. LOL. The reason is guy tested himself for level of antibodies after receiving 1st shot and he was surprised that it’s like cca 10000 UI/nmol and HZJZ admits that optimal level is like 2500 UI/nmol but they couldn’t offer him reasonable answer what the fuck does it mean when level of antibodies is like his? So, he refused to get himself 2nd shot and got disqualified from receiving his well deserved covid ausweis. 😛
As for virus itself, I think that Mr Spike received too much attention while completely ignoring other parts of virus which is what this Israeli study suggests … https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-lab-some-existing-drugs-could-stop-covid-at-almost-100-percent-674426
Yes, I’m typically in contact with a very few people and very far from being at risk, but recently I wasn’t able to avoid contact with rather large international and mostly unvaccinated group, so that’s the primary reason. I personally know quite enough people that got royally fucked with long-term damage such as heart issues after surviving the virus so I’m not too enthusiastic about getting infected. And I got a bit fed up with having to pay for PCR sinuses cleaning treatment. I have some international travel scheduled soon that can’t be avoided, so getting vaccinated helps.
Of course there’ll be a third shot, and fourth, and our liberties will be slowly eroded away, because they’ve failed to contain the virus and gave it massive pools of human bodies for mutations, but I guess that was inevitable.
Re Israely study, that’s good news, hopefully proper treatment is next.
Where to even begin? First, covid is a type of virus that exists in a wide variety of mutations, similar to influenza, and vaccination against influenza is notoriously useless. Furthermore, the virus itself is harmless, it’s the reaction of the immune system to the virus that produces the high-lethality SARS. This means that the immune system reaction needs to be moderated/suppressed, vaccine is for low-variability viruses that cause lethal damage to the system, such as small pox. Insisting that a vaccine will solve the problem and push it down everybody’s throat, while it’s obvious that there will be an infinite number of new strains the vaccine is ineffective against, is not a rational approach.
Second, talking about disinformation in an environment where the official sources lie, and the unofficial sources also lie, but with different motives, is funny. How is anyone supposed to discern between information and disinformation, when most people can’t do their own scientific research, and even if they do, others will doubt them?
I started having problem with “authorities” in this matter when they authoritatively claimed that only seven or so people in Croatia had covid at the time, and they know all of them, and I knew for a fact there were hundreds of sick children in my vilage alone, including my entire family, and Romana actually brought the kids to the doctor with obvious covid symptoms of pneumonia and high fever, the tests showed “some virus on the way out”, and it was merely shrugged off and they were sent home?
Basically, fuck science, fuck medicine and fuck government, they can all fuck themselves, each other and everybody who puts any amount of faith in them. If they say something, I’m sure it’s a lie.
Isn’t the point of vaccine to train the immune system against the virus, so it gets flushed immediately, instead of letting it replicate until the immune reaction is much greater? I mean, I haven’t heard that vaccinated people have stronger reaction if they get infected.
Of course, that’s hard to determine, because right now we’re being told that vaccinated people have only mild symptoms, and we are supposed to ignore that delta strain which is now dominant does cause mild symptoms anyway, with or without vaccine. And if vaccine made for alpha and beta is effective against delta, why do they talk about third shot… and why don’t they say that third shot is made specifically for delta variant. They’re intentionally keeping the public in dark, and at the same time saying that it’s “people’s fault” – how can people do anything constructive while being systematically disinformed? There’s a term for what authorities are doing to people – gaslighting.
And yes, it’s the same as with the flu, new shot every season, except this thing doesn’t have seasons and we get new strains every few months.
Anyway, I agree with basically everything you wrote.
I’ve been listening to first-hand and second-hand accounts online and from what I’ve gathered, there is a disproportionate amount of really bad side-effects, such as literally sudden death, or paralysis, blood clots (from all vaccines), really bad forms of covid after vaccination etc., basically the vaccine is not really something I can view as a lesser evil, and the reactions to the second shot are sometimes so bad, I think if they keep poking people with that shit every time there’s a new variant, the vaccine might turn out to be much worse than the disease it’s meant to prevent.
Curiously, I’ve also heard about reactions to second Pfizer shot being worse than to first shot, but literally everyone I personally know that got it, including myself, had almost no reaction to second shot. Also, women tend to have stronger reaction, which corresponds to what I’ve seen. The dangerous part is anaphylactic shock if you have allergy to the liquid in which vaccine is delivered, which happens shortly after the vaccination, and that one is definitely true, which is why they have medics on vaccination spots and make you sit there a bit after vaccination.
I heard that AstraZeneca and J&J could cause clots, and AstraZeneca fixed that in newer versions of vaccine, but it’s too late now, everybody is avoiding it anyway. I’ve looked at Israeli stats for Pfizer, and side effects appear to be very rare – most of them are related to heart issues (which may or may not be related to vaccine), and none to clots. Still, I gather that if side effects were statistically significant, and especially if they are worse than Covid itself, I’d hear much more about it by now. That’s why I figured it’s less risky to get a shot than not to get it when my risk profile increased. If I have to bet, I like odds to be at least slightly in my favor. None of the options is completely safe anyway.
I haven’t heard about bad forms of Covid after vaccination; if anyone has any sources, I’d be grateful for info.
And they are unbelievably unanimous about it – scary unanimously.
I can not remember single thing ever about which ALL world leaders would agree upon like they are agreeing about everything-Covid.
Also, look at Orban – you have to make referendum about LGBTQ+ issues in country because EU is slapping your face for bad behaviour, but you can make experimental vaccines mandatory for health workers – and CHILDREN before coming back to school without even asking people about it?
They are pushing for changing laws so they can mandate vaccines in the future which gives them right to do just about anything they want since unvaccinated people will be breaking the law.
And there is no hiding from it. Anywhere. Except maybe signing up for first Mars mission, but I am sure first voyage will have to vaccinated as well.