Coronavirus with HIV traits

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There are some interesting developments regarding the SARS-like coronavirus epidemic in China.

On the Saker’s website, the majority in the comment section believes the virus is an American bioweapon.

This sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory, but it’s not that crazy once you look into it. First of all, the virus genome was analysed and it turns out it looks like someone combined SARS virus and HIV. I don’t know if that stuff can happen in nature, but it looks very much like something you would cook up in a lab if you wanted to make something deadly. Also, it supposedly preferentially attacks Asian males, which is what you would want a bioweapon to do, and Americans very notoriously collected samples of Russian genome, which is what you would want to do if you wanted to create a virus that would preferentially attack Russians, and then pretend it’s not a weapon of war and instead somethin’s wrong with the Russians if the virus is attacking them. If it’s actually a bioweapon, which can be proved or disproved by DNA analysis, it was very carefully designed and released to mimic a natural thing, and in the flu season when such things are expected.

The goal of such a thing would be to weaken China’s economy and to facilitate international isolation. Also, it would seriously harm China’s military. However, if this actually is a bioweapon, of which it’s hard to be certain because I’ve seen nothing conclusive so far, this is the form of genocide attack that’s answerable with nuclear weapons.

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  1. Here’s something constructive on the subject.

    Nakon Facebook statusa u kome Azijska Robna Kuća Temerin napušava svakog komentatora i objašnjava kako u njihovoj prodavnici, kako kažu, “nema vilus”, uputili smo se do Temerina kako bi porazgovarali oči u oči sa vlasnicom objekta i autorkom statusa.

    https://youtu.be/DumIERHBvSY

  2. In the mean time Biorxiv pulled their report, stating it was preliminary, not per-reviewed document.

    Silvana Konermann
    @SKonermann

    Just checked their results. The similarity is spurious. Out of 4 inserts they identify between NCov and SARS, 2 are found in bat coronavirus. Of the remaining two, only one is most similar to HIV, and is so short (6 AA) that the similarity is not higher than chance given database

    Regarding HIV drugs working against 2019-NCov:

    But despite the removal, the pre-print paper has stimulated a heap of discussion about HIV and coronavirus. Many people have asked on social media why, if coronavirus does not have pieces of HIV in it, HIV drugs are being used in some cases to treat the virus, with preliminary evidence that they, and other anti-viral drugs appear to be working in some cases.

    “Some antiviral drugs can work against fundamental and generic steps involved in RNA virus replication. Anti-HIV drugs that inhibit viral RNA (genome) replication or the process of making viral protein from viral RNA may also work against other RNA viruses. This depends on the mode of action of the drugs,” explains Banerjee.

    Source link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/02/02/no-coronavirus-was-not-bioengineered-to-put-pieces-of-hiv-in-it/#4e2b34b056cb

    • Honestly, I’m not believing anything at this point, there are so many layers of disinformation campaigns that I would only believe the kind of stuff the Chinese central committee and Putin have on their desk, and we’re not going to see that. But anything published in the West is most likely disinformation at this point.

      • I know there’s plenty of disinformation and fake news, and if this was from any other source I would dismiss it as such, but this makes me think is it safe to retrieve packages from China:

        https://youtu.be/2k-2FNy_VDQ

        “The Corona virus can live up to 28 days on a hard surface”

        • That seems highly unlikely and is probably possible only with right temperature and humidity which are both very non optimal in a postal package.
          Also, virus can survive for a while, but it quickly looses ability to further infect.

          Regardless, I avoid buying from China because I threw most of stuff to garbage the very first day 🙂
          Just bad luck I guess.

        • and if this was from any other source I would dismiss it as such

          What do you mean? Molyneux is fake news when it comes to China-related issues. If you’re into that I can also recommend SerpentZA and his best pal Laowhy86, or if you want a touch of (or attempt of) comedy then China Uncensored. Or for truth-roulette Alex “Nuke China” Jones 🙂

          Good luck finding a difference between Stefan’s views on China and those of CIA. It all sounds very factual except that facts are mixed with lies, and what’s left of the truth is spinned in such a way that the result of every paragraph is America=good, China=bad. Watch his Hong Kong documentary. I lasted almost half an hour before I stopped. Aside of the usual viewpoints that I disagree with (mildly said; it’s more like I feel righteous fury 😉 but it’s gonna sound bad if I type that), he managed to spin the truth so much that he made it look as if China is to be blamed for Opium Wars. Because you know, drug trade was legal according to British law, so how could the Chinese dare to oppose that – on their own territory! (It’s almost like listening to John Bolton who said: “All international laws are invalid, meaningless attempts to constrict American power.”) And it’s the Chinese fault because they weren’t interested in diplomacy, they only wanted to be left alone. Live and let live. But Chinese libertarianism is bad. American libertarianism is sacred. Oh and, the fact that the Chinese were buying drugs, that’s because the government is bad. Especially the Chinese one. People don’t do drugs in libertarian societies. It’s true. Because there aren’t any. Also, if the Chinese government tries to do something about drug addiction, that’s also bad. You get the point 🙂 I have not seen a single China-related video he made that wasn’t full of fake news and spins. In some of them he was copying Gorden Chang and his famous “China is about to collapse any time now” prediction (still waiting 20yrs later). Then there’s that video when he had a Hong Kong protester as a guest, and Molyneux did nothing but nod no matter what the guest said. The guest couldn’t even list protester demands. But they are surely reasonable and justified so nod nod. When he started talking about how bad the Chinese social credit score is, Molyneux asked him to tell the audience about it. The guest of course had no clue and merely said that he heard it’s very bad. Which naturally has to be true because Chinese=bad, social=socialism=bad, credit=”something China lends to America”=bad, and score=redundant (because we all know that America=winner and others=losers). Nod nod. I don’t want to comment on his coronavirus videos because I only quickly browsed through since you linked it here, but I did learn that the Chinese eat tree bark today because it’s what they ate during communism and old habits die hard. I thought that some of them ate weird animals for thousands of years, but no, they only ate the most intelligent animals like pigs and cows until the communists turned them into vegetarians and scavengers. This could go on and on but the part that I’m interested in is in which video does Molyneux say that there’s a possibility this is a bioweapon used by the US against China? You said you “came to similar conclusion” but this theory (which I consider by far the most likely) is a complete opposite of what Molyneux is saying, at least parts I’ve seen so far.

          This is how the truth about China looks like when the focus isn’t on finding flaws or inventing them (for whatever insidious reason):

          The truth about China’s social credit system:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgzPnT_bQQg

          Truth about Tiananmen Square protests
          (Author is obviously a leftist but footage is interesting.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqPI8xlnrwg

          Coronavirus as a likely US bioweapon:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmhj-vnl5E
          Related article written by that guest:
          https://www.metallicman.com/laoban4site/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage

          Another take on coronavirus issue:
          (This channel regularly debunks tons of fake news about China.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a8avCFbON4

          “A grand class in patriotism”
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-1HE_53QVY

          Lee Kuan Yew’s perspective:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9nOwzGBTKg

          A different (friendly) kind of propaganda:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSzqknJgWM

          Chinese surveillance state:
          (I’m also not a fan of all the spying going on in modern times but people in this particular video don’t look terribly oppressed to me, and their reaction is quite amusing.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynEZrPdJ6gE

          Chinese social media, Douyin (Tik Tok):
          (For comparison, not because I’m a fan of social media – I don’t use any.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyfY31I-NEI (best striptease I’ve seen)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0blPJK1c0I (hanfu theme)

          Chinese commercials:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hyzQBKFpVc (too politically incorrect for the West)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtDZyC8Ng9w
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ualOF-Ew1HM Chinese materialism 🙂
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6c8-r2yuJs

          Chinese animated film:
          (Unfortunately I can’t find YouTube video with longer ending scene, but the full narration before the scene in the video goes like this: “Do you believe in miracles? Life is a journey that we have to wait for countless reincarnations before we get the privilege to enjoy it. At the end of our short life we will eventually lose everything. Therefore you might as well embolden yourself.. to love someone.. to climb a mountain.. or to pursue a dream. Yes, you might just as well embolden yourself. There are many things that I don’t understand, and there are many questions that carry no answers…”)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_djfAKs_dg

          Chinese finally have proper ‘classical’ music, specially composed for the parade:
          (Yes, I’m aware this is a display of the “collective” but whatever, organized and powerful collective is still better than chaotic and pathetic one.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFBwXdguRrY
          Military recruitment video:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qr-4AKM18

          Chinese series:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39NVp03pDVc (imperfect lyrics though)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NygLL2SaHYI
          (I can’t find a good YouTube excerpt but The Story of Yanxi Palace is interesting not just because the costumes and the setting are quite historically accurate, but also because it’s kind of a female version of Conan the Barbarian. The main character is a woman who can’t rely on her physical strength and so has to use IQ and be resourceful in order to survive all the schemes against her.)

          Chinese movies (latest):
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHKLp4AdYtE (I thought the story in the Shadow is mediocre but that’s not why I watched it. The colors are amazing; it felt like walking through a gallery.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xSs_xsf5sI (For diversity, so that not every movie is wuxia. Too emo for me, but it has some memorable lines.)

          Chinese music:
          (Yes, it tends to be quite sugary, at least the music I heard so far, but it’s much better than it used to be.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeAETLOZHGE (singer has androgynous style which I’m personally not a fan of but at least she’s trying to look nice and not repulsive like the Conchita creature)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ54P8T9m8U

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03_HxdEMrN8
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j0riQjd7Sc
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ijz0uIbfQ
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMcYSYw7Tb0

          There’s a Croat who seems to be a regular guest at major Chinese festivals:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIr0vf6pKf4

          Chinese games:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMaGYCK0GP8
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh_cb4SqXco (didn’t play, and not a fan of modern games, but it looks nice aesthetically and the point is the same as with other videos: the Chinese made huge progress in all areas)

          Li Ziqi:

          (Old-fashioned rural lifestyle and DIY of sorts)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A0ylonIRzU
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8O3fRC4tSk
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qza1Jz2g8FQ (making paper, ink..)

          Bonus track
          The truth about North Korea:
          (No, I don’t like North Korea, but I also don’t think it’s fair to call it the worst country in the world, and in general to portray it as worse place than it is.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVsaOYZl3E0 (behold the modernized NK snowman)

          • What do you mean? Molyneux is fake news when it comes to China-related issues.

            That’s completely true. I was actually shocked to see how Molyneux and PJW got the HK protests completely wrong, especially since they are usually smart enough to see through bullshit, and here they were completely unable to see through the situation. The HK protesters are the same profile that would take communist flags and wave them at antifa rallies in the West, and in China they wave American flags. They are basically chaotic contrarians, they “oppose the system” regardless of what it is. They don’t have anything to offer because they are intellectual midgets, and it’s funny how PJW and Molyneux would pick them apart in the West, and they swallow them whole in China, and what becomes apparent to me is that they are so completely in love with the Western propaganda, they appear to be mentally and emotionally incapable of opposing any form of bullshit that looks like uncle Sam. It was actually funny to watch Molyneux react to Trump’s attempts at invoking American patriotism. He all but teared up and started singing the American anthem. 🙂

            Watch his Hong Kong documentary. I lasted almost half an hour before I stopped.

            I didn’t last past the few sentences, it’s just completely lacking any intellectual integrity and honesty. Absolutely worthless drivel. I didn’t comment much on the entire HK thing because I was preoccupied with other things, and I don’t understand China as well as I understand other places. Apparently, neither do Molyneux and PJW, but they don’t know when to stop talking.

  3. Don’t know much about DNA strains and gene editing, but I was quite puzzled with maniacal response from media about a virus that infected merely 6000 people (at the moment I picked up the news) with 120 deaths (2% death rate) while in the same period only in the USA flue infected 4.5 million people and killed 3200 (much lower death rate) – but still – not a single article about it, let alone maniacal panic.

    This media response caused significant isolation of China with exponential trend (people are stupid, they do not go into china shops around the world any more because there is a deadly virus in China), most postal deliveries are stopped, traffic (tourism) is stopped, factories are downshifted and so on …
    It seems like a pretty good effect (by using media) without any risk of nuclear annihilation which would surely result the minute someone would prove it is actually bioweapon agent released against China males.

    Also, media response looks more like a move from a desperate party maximizing the effect of a situation at hand, to do some harm to Chinese economy.
    Bioweapon seems more like a mad-man move from Tom Cruise movies – you would have to hope virus would completely cripple China before they would figure out what’s going on and retaliate with all they have – which seems impossible – considering how well contained it already is and the speed at which everything happened (almost like China new what’s going on from the very beginning).

    • It is very difficult for me to understand what exactly is going on. If the Americans didn’t create the virus, they certainly are using it to their advantage. However, there is too much strange stuff going on for me to simply dismiss the possibility of this being a full-war overture. Weaken the enemy, then destroy him.

      • For some time I have been trying to find some death demographics, but it seems to be it’s very hard to find any info about it.

        So far, I found only an early report citing:

        The China National Health Commission reported the details of the first 17 deaths up to 24 pm 22 Jan 2020. The deaths included 13 males and 4 females. The median age of the deaths was 75 (range 48-89) years.

        Then, this newer information from title-panic-pumping article, but disclosing interesting facts:

        “We observed a greater number of men than women in the 99 cases of 2019-nCoV infection,” the authors wrote.”

        “MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV have also been found to infect more males than females.

        And

        While about half the patients also had chronic underlying diseases, including heart problems and diabetes, the first two deaths, both men aged in their 60s, had no history of serious illness but were long term smokers.

        The researchers concluded that the people most likely to contract the new coronavirus were older men with underlying health problems.

        Also, I find this comment interesting (can’t find confirmation whether is true or not):

        The speed with which China quarantined the population of France in under 1 week, IS THE SMOKING GUN, which reveals that they knew EXACTLY what they released on the unsuspecting population. Hundreds of thousands of people get the flue every winter, but no country declares a national emergency and seals off whole cities because some people are showing flu symptoms.

        So, the virus is showing properties of bioengineering, China responded extremely quickly, US (or globalists or whoever is running this show) used media to pump everything to world pandemic proportions, mostly old and sick people are dying (information not easily attained by media pumping panic) …
        It does look more like Chinese bio-leak (accidental or intentional, who would know) which US used to pump panic and cause major isolation of China, “free of charge”, sort of.
        I believe you are right bioattack can not be easily dismissed with provided information, I just think China response would be significantly different if they only smelled this as bioweapon attack.

        • My conclusions are the opposite. It was planted by the CIA in such a way that it can be presented as a Chinese bioengineering leak; the Chinese would of course know the truth, but in the rest of the world the Americans control the media and have better propaganda machine. Also, the crematoria in the affected areas are working around the clock which makes me believe the Chinese are understating the number of the dead by quite some factor, in order to reduce panic.

          There’s a very simple way of detecting who’s the cause. If there are Russian sentences in a computer malware, it’s certainly not written by the Russians. If there’s a bioweapon leak in China, near a Chinese biotech lab, but which preferentially kills the Chinese, it’s certainly not made by China. I’m not saying it’s certainly a bioweapon, but I would put the probability above 30%, and if it’s a bioweapon, it’s certainly American, literally 100% probability.

          • Also people don’t understand how easy it is today to modify your DNA. I really like this Harvard geneticist David Sinclair. This kind of bio-weapon is the perfect answer how to solve some problem without getting caught, guys like him can really make a bioweapon like that in a week probably. What the Russians are fearing is the bioweapon that hits their next generation/offspring. Suddenly we moved into this territory of “thinking” and the guys in Langley pulling the strings are smiling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDmxkXUqYBk

            • “Not getting caught” is the tricky part, especially since the attacked side, that’s already in a cold war with you, might not really wait for 100% proof, and could be pissed enough to wipe you out just for shits and giggles.

              • The not so old news of China ending the one child per family policy (and implementing a singles tax if you don’t have children) seems pretty smart now! I think the Chinese ruling elite are pretty smart, they probably have five different moves for every scenario, Putin sure thinks so, they must have expected something like this, they probably perceive Washington/America as the devil, like so many people. The problem is the american/Washington way of thinking: “We made China, we can un-make them” “Crush/beat them like they have never been beaten before!”. That’s pretty radical way of thinking ans that’s what their generals openly say. Imagine the Chinese and Russians hearing that, while both in the same time implementing highly efficient hypersonic nuclear weapons. What’s strange to me is the hope of building the “Star trek world society” which was huge #1 thing in american pop culture thinking after the Moon landing, where did that kind of collective thinking disapear? Humans in power definitely proved they don’t want that.

          • Also, the crematoria in the affected areas are working around the clock which makes me believe the Chinese are understating the number of the dead by quite some factor, in order to reduce panic.

            I didn’t initially comment on this because fact-checking what’s reported in the West about China is a waste of time, but I ran into this article:
            https://www.anti-empire.com/breitbart-peddles-falun-gong-fairy-tales-on-wuhan-virus/
            It turns out that the source is – surprise surprise – The Epoch Times (Falun Gong) which practically guarantees disinformation.

            tl;dr version of the article:
            “Falun Gong itself gives up the game when it reports the “backlog” of bodies waiting to be cremated is because fewer crematorium workers are showing up for work either because of the holiday season or because of disease fears:
            “You Hu” told the Epoch Times that the backlog of people waiting to be cremated was not due to lack of space in the burners, but lack of sufficient transportation and collapsing staff numbers, as few were sleeping or taking breaks.            ”

            Either way, the numbers being underreported was public knowledge because there weren’t enough test kits, they’re not 100% accurate, illness doesn’t manifest right away, and so on. Later they changed the methodology and the numbers jumped but there was no drastic change. Nothing that one would expect listening to certain predictions. I don’t think avoiding panic played a significant role considering the wartime measures that were put in place.

            What’s interesting about the whole thing is public opinion around the world. In China, Russia, Southeast Asia, Iran and the Arab world, and even India – all possible origins of the virus are talked about and many consider it to be a US bioweapon. In the West – crickets. If there is a talk about a bioweapon it can only be a Chinese bioweapon. Mere mention of the virus as a possible US bioweapon is met with ridicule and censorship. It’s as if they are 200% certain that the US would never do something like that despite the fact it’s the only country that’s regularly doing it, and never had any ethical problems neutralizing enemies one way or another. I can recall one lie that the Russian government said (during the operation in Crimea – understandable), and one lie that the Chinese government/paper said (that they won’t militarize those SCS islands – obvious lie, but understandable). With the US government it’s easier to count truths than lies. And yet the view in the West is that everything CPC says is a lie and everything US government says about its enemies is true (despite all the false flags and what not). Absolutely amazing. They also believe their favorite presidential candidate is against wars – Sanders who said he would consider military force if Iran or NK attempted (yes, attempted) to do even a (non-nuclear) missile test, or Gabbard who voluntarily went to serve in Iraq. Heck, even now they still believe their favorite president is against wars and is withdrawing troops (honest to God). This is nothing short of a miracle. Born-Again Christians don’t have that much faith in Jesus. 🙂

            • From the way the virus has been behaving so far, I am inclined to raise the probability of it being a bioweapon above 50%, with 100% probability that it’s American if it’s a bioweapon.

              And I am absolutely disgusted by Molyneux. I won’t even elaborate because no reason.

              • From the way the virus has been behaving so far, I am inclined to raise
                the probability of it being a bioweapon above 50%, with 100% probability
                that it’s American if it’s a bioweapon.

                My estimate has been 90% probability of (American) bioweapon. Which still leaves 10% that could be anything. The main problem that I have with other theories I heard so far is that they either require me to believe the same person won lottery twice in one month, or that the Chinese are retarded or completely insane and sadistic.

                I was curious what Domazet has to say on the issue because I remember him being one of the rare people in Croatia who have their own thoughts and don’t act merely as “relays”. It turns out that he mentioned in his book 14yrs ago that (somewhere after 2018) China will be attacked with a biological weapon:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPj_QCahNMY

                • Well, if we suspect America did it, China must suspect at least as much. The question is, can they prove it enough to justify their countermeasures, if they decide to follow that course, and, even more importantly, will they even care to prove anything, once they are satisfied with the results of their own investigation.

        • I don’t think those forces in Europe are intended for invasion of Russia. I think their purpose is to occupy and hold Europe after the full nuclear exchange, so that Russia can’t invade Europe, and EU can’t ask Russia for help.

          • Yup, that’s what I meant, invasion of Europe, not Russia. I remember one of Your posts when You said that US army is in fact occupational force in Europe.

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