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Radoslav Prica wrote:
> Kao sto vidis, ne, nisam se zaletio. Treba samo citati, educirati se,
> malo razmisljati.. igrati se sa puzlama, slagati sliku :)

Inače, apsolutno ništa od ovoga što Prica trabunja ne stoji. Poznat je
proces evolucije astrologije u Babilonu, gdje je stvar počela tako što
su zapisivali svjetovne događaje i stanja na nebu u to vrijeme, i iz
toga s vremenom razvili sustav gatanja posve sličan gatanju iz
iznutrica, a iste osobe su obično prakticirale obje tehnike.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_astrology

To je izvorni, najstariji astrološki model na kojem je izgrađena
bliskoistočna i zapadna astrologija. Nigdje tu nema nikakve priče o
purušama i utjecajima njihovih stanja na inkarnirana bića; to je Prica
naprosto čuo od mene dok mi je bio učenik i po svojem običaju to što je
čuo pripisao nečemu "drevnom" u što je "samo on upućen" tako da pred
mojim ostalim učenicima može glumiti da ima znanja paralelna meni, isto
kao što je stvari koje je u petak naučio od mene već u subotu pričao u
kontekstu iskustava sa svojim učiteljem na Tibetu gdje se to učilo pod
normalno. Dakle da malo demistificiramo ta njegova "drevna znanja". On
nema pojma o ničemu, lik je pročitao sve skupa par slikovnica o starim
civilizacijama i u to interpolira stvari koje je ili izmislio, ili čuo
od mene, ili nešto na sličnu temu. Uglavnom, lik je lud i konstantno
laže, da ne velim da je sve pokrao odnekud.

> History
> 
> Babylonian astrology was the first organized system of astrology,
> arising in the second millennium B.C.[1] There is some speculation
> that astrology of some form or other appeared in the Sumerian period
> in the 3rd millennium BC but no ancient written evidence is available
> to support this hypothesis[2]. By the 16th century B.C. its
> beginnings as a simple omen-based astrology had begun to take shape
> in the astrological writings of the time, most important of these
> being the Enuma Anu Enlil, whose contents consisted of 70 tablets of
> 7,000 recorded mundane (i.e., public, common) phenomena (e.g., famine
> or victory in war) and whatever celestial occurrences happened to be
> present at the time of the event. However texts from this time also
> refer to an oral tradition - the origin and content of which we can
> only speculate upon[3]. At this time Babylonian astrology was solely
> mundane, and prior to the 7th century B.C. the practitioners'
> understanding of astronomy was very rudimentary. Because of their
> inability to accurately predict future celestial phenomena and
> planetary movement very far in advance, interpretations were done as
> the phenomena occurred or slightly before. By the 4th century,
> however, their mathematical methods had progressed enough to
> calculate future planetary positions with reasonable accuracy, at
> which point extensive ephemerides began to appear.[4]
> 
> Theory of divine government
> 
> Just as the sacrificial method of divination rested on a well-defined
> theory - to wit, that the liver was the seat of the soul of the
> animal and that the deity in accepting the sacrifice identified
> himself with the animal, whose "soul" was thus placed in complete
> accord with that of the god and therefore reflected the mind and will
> of the god - so astrology is sometimes purported to be based on a
> theory of divine government of the world.
> 
> On the mythological assumption that man's life and happiness is
> dependent upon phenomena in the heavens and that the fertility of the
> soil is dependent upon the sun shining as well as upon the rains that
> come from heaven; and that, on the other hand, the mischief and
> damage done by storms and floods (both of which the Euphrates Valley
> was almost regularly subject to), were to be traced likewise to the
> heavens - the conclusion was drawn that all the great gods had their
> seats in the heavens.
> 
> In that early age of culture known as the "nomadic" stage, which
> normally precedes the "agricultural" stage, the moon cult is even
> more prominent than sun worship, and with the moon and sun cults thus
> furnished by the "popular" faith, it was a natural step for the
> priests to develop a theory of a complete accord between phenomena
> observed in the heavens and occurrences on earth.
> 
> Planets and gods
> 
> Further information: Babylonian calendar Of the planets five were
> recognized - Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Mercury and Mars - to name them
> in the order in which they appear in the older cuneiform literature;
> in later texts Mercury and Saturn change places.
> 
> These five planets were identified with the gods of the Babylonian
> pantheon as follows:
> 
> Jupiter with Marduk; Venus with the goddess Ishtar, Saturn with
> Ninurta (Ninib), Mercury with Nabu (Nebo), and Mars with Nergal. The
> movements of the sun, moon and five planets were regarded as
> representing the activity of the five gods in question, together with
> the moon-god Sin and the sun-god Shamash, in preparing the
> occurrences on earth. If, therefore, one could correctly read and
> interpret the activity of these powers, one knew what the gods were
> aiming to bring about.
> 
> The Babylonians were the first to name the Days of the week after the
> sun, moon and planets.[citation needed] Their naming scheme is still
> widely followed today in many languages, including English, and goes
> as follows:
> 
> weekday	meaning	Old Norse	Old English	Interpretatio graeca
> Sunday	day of the sun
> Monday	day of the moon
> Tuesday	day of Mars	Týr	T?w	= Mars
> Wednesday	day of Mercury	Ó?inn	W?den	= Mercury
> Thursday	day of Jupiter	??rr	??r	= Hercules
> Friday	day of Venus	Frigg	Frigga	= Venus
> Saturday	day of Saturn
> 
> Further information: Babylonian zodiac The Babylonians were also the
> first to set out the twelve houses of the horoscope.[5] The houses
> were numbered from the east downward under the horizon, and
> represented areas of life on the following pattern: 1. Life ; 2.
> Poverty/Riches ; 3. Brothers ; 4. Parents ; 5. Children ; 6.
> Illness/health ; 7. Wife/husband ; 8. Death ; 9. Religion ; 10.
> Dignities ; 11. Friendship ; 12. Enmity . These represent the basic
> outline of the houses as they are still understood today.
> 
> System of Interpretation
> 
> 
> 
> Detail of the Ishtar Gate in Babylon The Babylonian priests
> accordingly applied themselves to the task of perfecting a system of
> interpretation of the phenomena to be observed in the heavens, and it
> was natural that the system was extended from the moon, sun and five
> planets to the more prominent and recognizable fixed stars.
> 
> The interpretations themselves were based (as in the case of
> divination through the liver) chiefly on two factors:
> 
> On the recollection or on written records of what in the past had
> taken place when the phenomenon or phenomena in question had been
> observed, and Association of ideas - involving sometimes merely a
> play upon words - in connection with the phenomenon or phenomena
> observed. Thus, if on a certain occasion, the rise of the new moon in
> a cloudy sky was followed by victory over an enemy or by abundant
> rain, the sign in question was thus proved to be a favourable one and
> its recurrence would thenceforth be regarded as a good omen, though
> the prognostication would not necessarily be limited to the one or
> the other of those occurrences, but might be extended to apply to
> other circumstances.
> 
> On the other hand, the appearance of the new moon earlier than was
> expected was regarded as unfavourable - prognosticating in one case
> defeat, in another death among cattle, in a third bad crops - not
> necessarily because these events actually took place after such a
> phenomenon, but by an application of the general principle resting
> upon association of ideas whereby anything premature would suggest an
> unfavourable occurrence.
> 
> In this way a mass of traditional interpretation of all kinds of
> observed phenomena was gathered, and once gathered became a guide to
> the priests for all times. However, not all of these ideas are still
> used in astrology as it is usually practiced today.


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