Autor: Danijel Turina Datum: 2010-08-02 16:07:29 Grupe: hr.alt.magija Tema: Re: malo o astrologiji Linija: 169 Message-ID: i36jf6$l1$1@tornado.tornevall.net |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Radoslav Prica wrote: > Kao sto vidis, ne, nisam se zaletio. Treba samo citati, educirati se, > malo razmisljati.. igrati se sa puzlama, slagati sliku :) Inače, apsolutno ništa od ovoga što Prica trabunja ne stoji. Poznat je proces evolucije astrologije u Babilonu, gdje je stvar počela tako što su zapisivali svjetovne događaje i stanja na nebu u to vrijeme, i iz toga s vremenom razvili sustav gatanja posve sličan gatanju iz iznutrica, a iste osobe su obično prakticirale obje tehnike. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_astrology To je izvorni, najstariji astrološki model na kojem je izgrađena bliskoistočna i zapadna astrologija. Nigdje tu nema nikakve priče o purušama i utjecajima njihovih stanja na inkarnirana bića; to je Prica naprosto čuo od mene dok mi je bio učenik i po svojem običaju to što je čuo pripisao nečemu "drevnom" u što je "samo on upućen" tako da pred mojim ostalim učenicima može glumiti da ima znanja paralelna meni, isto kao što je stvari koje je u petak naučio od mene već u subotu pričao u kontekstu iskustava sa svojim učiteljem na Tibetu gdje se to učilo pod normalno. Dakle da malo demistificiramo ta njegova "drevna znanja". On nema pojma o ničemu, lik je pročitao sve skupa par slikovnica o starim civilizacijama i u to interpolira stvari koje je ili izmislio, ili čuo od mene, ili nešto na sličnu temu. Uglavnom, lik je lud i konstantno laže, da ne velim da je sve pokrao odnekud. > History > > Babylonian astrology was the first organized system of astrology, > arising in the second millennium B.C.[1] There is some speculation > that astrology of some form or other appeared in the Sumerian period > in the 3rd millennium BC but no ancient written evidence is available > to support this hypothesis[2]. By the 16th century B.C. its > beginnings as a simple omen-based astrology had begun to take shape > in the astrological writings of the time, most important of these > being the Enuma Anu Enlil, whose contents consisted of 70 tablets of > 7,000 recorded mundane (i.e., public, common) phenomena (e.g., famine > or victory in war) and whatever celestial occurrences happened to be > present at the time of the event. However texts from this time also > refer to an oral tradition - the origin and content of which we can > only speculate upon[3]. At this time Babylonian astrology was solely > mundane, and prior to the 7th century B.C. the practitioners' > understanding of astronomy was very rudimentary. Because of their > inability to accurately predict future celestial phenomena and > planetary movement very far in advance, interpretations were done as > the phenomena occurred or slightly before. By the 4th century, > however, their mathematical methods had progressed enough to > calculate future planetary positions with reasonable accuracy, at > which point extensive ephemerides began to appear.[4] > > Theory of divine government > > Just as the sacrificial method of divination rested on a well-defined > theory - to wit, that the liver was the seat of the soul of the > animal and that the deity in accepting the sacrifice identified > himself with the animal, whose "soul" was thus placed in complete > accord with that of the god and therefore reflected the mind and will > of the god - so astrology is sometimes purported to be based on a > theory of divine government of the world. > > On the mythological assumption that man's life and happiness is > dependent upon phenomena in the heavens and that the fertility of the > soil is dependent upon the sun shining as well as upon the rains that > come from heaven; and that, on the other hand, the mischief and > damage done by storms and floods (both of which the Euphrates Valley > was almost regularly subject to), were to be traced likewise to the > heavens - the conclusion was drawn that all the great gods had their > seats in the heavens. > > In that early age of culture known as the "nomadic" stage, which > normally precedes the "agricultural" stage, the moon cult is even > more prominent than sun worship, and with the moon and sun cults thus > furnished by the "popular" faith, it was a natural step for the > priests to develop a theory of a complete accord between phenomena > observed in the heavens and occurrences on earth. > > Planets and gods > > Further information: Babylonian calendar Of the planets five were > recognized - Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Mercury and Mars - to name them > in the order in which they appear in the older cuneiform literature; > in later texts Mercury and Saturn change places. > > These five planets were identified with the gods of the Babylonian > pantheon as follows: > > Jupiter with Marduk; Venus with the goddess Ishtar, Saturn with > Ninurta (Ninib), Mercury with Nabu (Nebo), and Mars with Nergal. The > movements of the sun, moon and five planets were regarded as > representing the activity of the five gods in question, together with > the moon-god Sin and the sun-god Shamash, in preparing the > occurrences on earth. If, therefore, one could correctly read and > interpret the activity of these powers, one knew what the gods were > aiming to bring about. > > The Babylonians were the first to name the Days of the week after the > sun, moon and planets.[citation needed] Their naming scheme is still > widely followed today in many languages, including English, and goes > as follows: > > weekday meaning Old Norse Old English Interpretatio graeca > Sunday day of the sun > Monday day of the moon > Tuesday day of Mars Týr T?w = Mars > Wednesday day of Mercury Ó?inn W?den = Mercury > Thursday day of Jupiter ??rr ??r = Hercules > Friday day of Venus Frigg Frigga = Venus > Saturday day of Saturn > > Further information: Babylonian zodiac The Babylonians were also the > first to set out the twelve houses of the horoscope.[5] The houses > were numbered from the east downward under the horizon, and > represented areas of life on the following pattern: 1. Life ; 2. > Poverty/Riches ; 3. Brothers ; 4. Parents ; 5. Children ; 6. > Illness/health ; 7. Wife/husband ; 8. Death ; 9. Religion ; 10. > Dignities ; 11. Friendship ; 12. Enmity . These represent the basic > outline of the houses as they are still understood today. > > System of Interpretation > > > > Detail of the Ishtar Gate in Babylon The Babylonian priests > accordingly applied themselves to the task of perfecting a system of > interpretation of the phenomena to be observed in the heavens, and it > was natural that the system was extended from the moon, sun and five > planets to the more prominent and recognizable fixed stars. > > The interpretations themselves were based (as in the case of > divination through the liver) chiefly on two factors: > > On the recollection or on written records of what in the past had > taken place when the phenomenon or phenomena in question had been > observed, and Association of ideas - involving sometimes merely a > play upon words - in connection with the phenomenon or phenomena > observed. Thus, if on a certain occasion, the rise of the new moon in > a cloudy sky was followed by victory over an enemy or by abundant > rain, the sign in question was thus proved to be a favourable one and > its recurrence would thenceforth be regarded as a good omen, though > the prognostication would not necessarily be limited to the one or > the other of those occurrences, but might be extended to apply to > other circumstances. > > On the other hand, the appearance of the new moon earlier than was > expected was regarded as unfavourable - prognosticating in one case > defeat, in another death among cattle, in a third bad crops - not > necessarily because these events actually took place after such a > phenomenon, but by an application of the general principle resting > upon association of ideas whereby anything premature would suggest an > unfavourable occurrence. > > In this way a mass of traditional interpretation of all kinds of > observed phenomena was gathered, and once gathered became a guide to > the priests for all times. However, not all of these ideas are still > used in astrology as it is usually practiced today. - -- http://www.danijel.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREKAAYFAkxW0SEACgkQU8G6/NHezOcjgACgio/cV2Q//XybN0KRi5nnpGjN go0AnjxaJrwpQy1y/Ceqzw5866H6i8og =nmEh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |