DRAPCD wrote:
> Slažem se sa skoro svim , osim da je Young izvršio samoubojstvo , nije ,
> on je dao svoj život za svoje prijatelje i braću po oružju i to je
> najveći stupanj žrtvovanja na Zemlji , dati život za druge ... kao što
> nas svojim primjerom nauči naš Gospodin , Isus Krist .

OK, ako je Young loš primjer, je li Peter Tomich bolji?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tomich
"By 1941, he had become a Chief Watertender on board the training and
target ship Utah (AG-16). On December 7, 1941, while the ship lay in
Pearl Harbor, moored off Ford Island, she was torpedoed during Japan's
raid on Pearl Harbor. Tomić was on duty in a boiler room. As Utah began
to capsize, he remained below, securing the boilers and making certain
that other men escaped, and so lost his life. For his "distinguished
conduct and extraordinary courage" at that time, he was posthumously
awarded the Medal of Honor. His Medal of Honor was on display at the
Navy's Senior Enlisted Academy (Tomich Hall) until it was posthumously
awarded to members of his family on 18 May 2006, aboard the USS
Enterprise in the Adriatic Sea, off the coast of Croatia."

Dakle on je nadzirao rad kotlova na brodu koji je tonuo, kako kotlovi ne
bi eksplodirali i potopili brod prebrzo, i tako je kupio vrijeme ostatku
posade i oni su se mogli evakuirati. Ja bih rekao da su primjeri isti -
hrabri vojnik je svjesno išao u smrt kako bi suborcima kupio mogućnost
da se spase. Svjesno ići u smrt je po svakoj definiciji pojma
samoubojstvo. Teško bi mi netko dokazao da je bilo koji od ove dvojice
mislio da će preživjeti svoje postupke. To je, rekao bih, neosporan
dokaz da samoubojstvo može postojati u kontekstu velike vrline i biti
herojski čin, i trpanje svih samoubojstava u isti koš i inputiranje
negativnih konotacija predstavlja uvredu takvim ljudima.
Isto važi za Maximiliana Kolbea, koji se namjerno dao ubiti u
koncentracionom logoru umjesto drugog čovjeka:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe

"During the Second World War he provided shelter to refugees from
Greater Poland, including 2,000 Jews whom he hid from Nazi persecution
in his friary in Niepokalanów. He was also active as a radio amateur,
with Polish call letters SP3RN, vilifying Nazi activities through his
reports.
...
On February 17, 1941 he was arrested by the German Gestapo and
imprisoned in the Pawiak prison, and on May 25 was transferred to
Auschwitz I as prisoner #16670.
In July 1941 a man from Kolbe's barracks vanished, prompting
SS-Hauptsturmführer Karl Fritzsch, the deputy camp commander, to pick 10
men from the same barracks to be starved to death in Block 13 (notorious
for torture), in order to deter further escape attempts.[citation
needed] (The man who had disappeared was later found drowned in the camp
latrine). One of the selected men, Franciszek Gajowniczek, cried out,
lamenting his family, and Kolbe volunteered to take his place.
During the time in the cell he led the men in songs and prayer. After
three weeks of dehydration and starvation, only Kolbe and three others
were still alive. Father maximilian's death was heroic. He did not
whine, nor murmer. He encouraged others that they would soon be with
mary in heaven. And each time the guards checked on him he was standing
or kneeling in the middle of the cell and looking calmly at those who
entered, while the others layed, moaning and complaning, on the ground
around him. Finally he was murdered with an injection of carbolic
acid.[6] Some who were present at the injection say that he raised his
left arm and calmly waited for the injection. He died soon after.
...
Father Kolbe was beatified as a confessor by Pope Paul VI in 1971 and
was canonized by Pope John Paul II on October 10, 1982 in the presence
of Franciszek Gajowniczek. Upon canonization, the Pope declared St.
Maximilian Kolbe not a confessor, but a martyr."

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