On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:57:20 +0100, "Mutteqin" 
wrote:

>Problem i jeste u tome ?to ja i ti imamo totalno razli?itu sliku Poslanika
>a.s., razli?ito gledamo. Zbog ?ega je to tako,poku?at ?u ti objasniti kroz
>jedan primjer.Nije mi te?ko
>primijetiti da je jedan od tvojih naj?e??ih navoda kojim blati? Poslanika
>a.s. to ?to se navodi da je on o?enio djevoj?icu od 9 godina (uzet ?emo da
>su predaje ispravne iako sam ti rekao kako ja gledam na pojedine predaje bez
>obzira na ocjenu "u?enjaka") i eto tvoj se razum nikako ne miri sa
>tim,meni je to
>shvatljivo za?to je to tako,eto, navodili su ti zbog ?ega je to bilo,
>odnosno povode toga, me?utim , tebi to nije dovoljan razlog,tako ti je lahko
>povjerovati da je o?enio djevoj?icu od 9 godina ali te?ko ti je povjerovati
>i zbog ?ega je to uradio.?injenica je,napojiti mo?e? ?ednog bilo ?im...ko
>?e?,al' ti se

Daj si ponovo procitaj moje argumente glede toga, stvarno mi se ne da
ponavljati sve citate, a cini se da nisi procitao nista od toga, osim
cinjenice da je ozenio djevojcicu od 9 godina. Muhamed je bio
nezasitni bludnik i pedofil, postoje deseci obimnih citata koji govore
tome u prilog, i ne samo to, nego je i raj zamisljao kao mjesto u
kojem ce se nasladjivati s djevicama, i to s njih cetrdeset. Nema tu
nikakvog mjesta alternativnim i rafiniranim tumacenjima, stvar je
jasna kao dan.

Evo ti citata, da vidis na cemu ja temeljim svoje misljenje:

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr
said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in
Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to
marry."

Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3309:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may
peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was
admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to
Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come
down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at
that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and
I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took
hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as
if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took
me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all
blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in
good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and
embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may
peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to
him.

Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may
peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was
admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3311:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may
peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he
was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls
were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen
years old.


Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to
Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I
got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my
mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some
of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what
she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at
the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing
became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with
it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some
Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good
luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the
marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and
my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine
years of age.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my
girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to
enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the
Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with
the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for
'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age
of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he
consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she
remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was
six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine
years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his
death).

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90:
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter
the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of
Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the
Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's
Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide
themselves, BUT the Prophet would call them to join and play with me.
(The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it
was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet
reached the age of puberty.)
(Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

It is, however, very unlikely that Muhammad would have waited for the
onset of the menses; or at most it could have been just after the 1st
drops. The evidence is necessarily indirect.

# His strong desire to "graze of the (tree) of which nothing has been
eaten before", as his other wives had not been virgins.

# Menses or fasting do not reduce Muhammad's desire and potency for
sex. His nightly rounds to his wives(lastly 12-13) did require more
than average potency.

# New additions to his harem lead to intensive sexual activity, e.g.
arrival of Maria lead to increased, initial spurt of sexual activity
to the neglect of others.

# The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to
wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and
he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it."

# Other wives try to please Muhammad by sacrificing their turns in
favor of Aisha.

# During his last fatal illness he cries: "Where will I be tomorrow?
Where will I be tomorrow?", seeking Aisha's turn.


Prophet Says: Marry Young Virgins

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady
have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why,
don't you have a liking for the young virgins and for fondling them?"
Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young
girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'

Silent Children :

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except
after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage
except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle!
How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her
permission)."

Sve u svemu, mislim da je svakom normalnom jasno o cemu se radi. 

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