On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:46:13 +0100, "Mister X"
 wrote:
>> Ajatolah Homeini je jos uvijek na glasu kao najveci autoritet
>> islamskog svijeta, sto je opravdanje zasto nitko ne moze ukinuti fetvu
>> koju je on izdao protiv Rushdiea. Pa, ako on veli da su te stvari OK,
>> tko sam ja da tvrdim da islam naucava drugacije?
>
>Rekao si da postoji opravdan razlog za vodjenje ljubavi sa ?ivotinjama i
>tra?io sam ti da mi navede? hadis ili ajet koji to odobrava i nisi mi ga
>dao. Izgubio si.

Naveo sam ti URL na kojem su navedeni zakonski propisi u zemljama u
kojima vlada serijat, a koji se ticu navedenog. Stvarno mi se ne da
raditi reverzni engineering metoda pomocu kojih su oni dosli do toga,
ali mi se cini da je daleko vjerojatnije da su oni svoj zakon donijeli
na temelju Kur'ana i hadisa, nego suprotno njima. Da ne bi bilo
zabune, za one koji su lijeni kliknuti na link:

According to the Iranian law, a man is required to perform ritualistic
washings away of impurities as in a religious rite (abulation), if he
ejaculates while having sex with a animal.

The law in many islamic countries reads, " After having sexual
relations with a lamb, it is mortal sin to eat its flesh."

In Oman, if a man has sex with a camel, a cow or a ewe, the law says
that the animal's milk becomes impure and is no longer suitable for
human consumption. The law requires the animal to be immediately
killed and burned. The owner who sodomized the beast is required to
pay its owner the dead animal's full market value.

In Lebanon, only men are legally allowed to have sex with animals
providing the animal is a female. The man faces death penalty if
caught in act with a male animal. A woman faces execution if found
fornication with an animal-wild or domesticated.

In Iran, the law states that sex with wild animals is not
recommended-especially with a lioness. Sex is only allowed with
domesticated animals such as dogs, cats, donkeys, lambs and yes, of
all things, pigeons.

Sodomy is commonplace in middle east. In Iran, the law declares that
if a man's penis fully penetrates another man's anus, abulation is
also necessary, but this time for both parties to the sex act.

In Kuwait, a married man cannot look at a female "in a sensual
manner". Nor can a married man look lustfully at a female statue or a
female animal.

World Muslim League rules that "birth control was invented by enemies
of Islam." Therefore, in Saudi Arabia, anyone caught smuggling condoms
or other contraceptive devices including birth control pills into the
country is punished with a term of six months in prison.

In Bahrain, if a doctor must touch a woman's genitalia for medical
reasons, he must not look directly at her genitals, He may do this
only by seeing their reflections in a mirror.

A married man in Iran can legally sodomize the son, brother or father
of his wife while his spouse can do nothing to stop this. The marriage
nonetheless becomes void.

In Egypt, the laws prohibit a woman from belly dancing unless her
navel is covered by a gauze. Technically, she can belly dance in nude
providing the belly button is covered.

In Doha, Qatar, a naked Muslim woman if surprised by a man during
bathing or dressing is by law commanded first to cover her face, not
her body.

In Iraq, women are required to bathe immediately after sex and not
leave the room in which they had sex. The punishment for breaking the
rule is thirty lashes.

According to Muslim law the sister, daughter or mother of the man who
was sodomized can never marry the sodomite even when the act of sodomy
took place when the two men hadn't reached puberty.

Eating the meat of donkeys, horses or mules is against the law if the
animal when alive was sodomized by a Muslim man. If this transpired,
the animal must immediately be taken outside the city and sold.

When a Muslim husband becomes aroused by another woman and then makes
love to his own wife, it is illegal for him to pray if he perspired
during this session, But if he made love to his wife and then made
love to the other woman, he can legally pray even though he may still
be perspiring.

A Muslim man can not marry a woman who was breast-fed as a baby by his
grand mother or mother.

No Muslim wife may refuse or even ignore her husband's sexual
advances. If she is guilty of this, she cant legally ask for food,
clothing or a place to live with him.

>> Uostalom, tko si ti
>> da tvrdis da islam naucava drugacije?
>
>Za razliku od tebe, ?ovjek koji poznaje ?ta zna?i istina.

Aha, dakle ti si covjek koji se bolje razumije u islam od Ajatolaha
Homeinija, kojeg sam citirao. 

>> Slazem se.
>
>Pa eto, onda se lagano odsla?i od mene, po?to smo se ve? dovoljno upoznali.

Ma da, a zasto? Meni je prilicno zadovoljstvo svako malo te podsjetiti
na to kakva je islam gnjusoba, cisto radi publike, kojoj je takodjer
zadovoljstvo takvo nesto citati. Jedini razlog koji bi mene mogao
natjerati da tebi i drugim muslimanima ne zagorcavam zivot kad pravite
sebi propagandu po hrvatskim grupama, jest nedostatak slobodnog
vremena i volje, ali trenutno imam i jednog i drugog na pretek.

I jos nesto sto ce ti se jamacno dopasti:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/3451/

Some of the parchment pages in the Yemeni hoard seemed to date back to
the seventh and eighth centuries A.D., or Islam's first two centuries
- they were fragments, in other words, of perhaps the oldest Korans in
existence. What's more, some of these fragments revealed small but
intriguing aberrations from the stand Koranic text. Such aberrations,
though not surprising to textual historians, are troublingly at odds
with the orthodox Muslim belief that the Koran as it has reached us
today is quite simply the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of
God. . . . What the Yemeni Korans seems to suggest, Puin began to
feel, was an evolving text rather than simply the Word of God as
revealed in its entirety to the Prophet Muhammad in the seventh
century A.D. 

The impact of the Yemeni manuscripts is still to be felt. Their
variant readings and verse orders are all very significant. Everybody
agrees on that. These manuscripts say that the early history of the
Koranic texts is much more of an open question than many have
suspected: the text was less stable, and therefore had less authority,
than has always been claimed. 

The Koran claims for itself that it is "mubeen," or clear. But if you
look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply
doesnt make sense. Many Muslims and Orientalists will tell you
otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text
is just incomprehensible. 


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