On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:18:02 +0200, Gjuro wrote:

>>da su istrijebili Asteke i slicne zlocinacke civilizacije
> 
> Pa jesi ti normalan reci mi?

Ne. Daleko sam pametniji od normale. :)

> Ovo je prvi put da to ?ujem od nekoga.

Ocito je, dakle, da si slabo upucen. Procitaj si 
http://nv.essortment.com/aztecsacrifice_raif.htm
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CIVAMRCA/AZTECS.HTM

Izvadak:
"The overwhelming aspect of Aztec religious life in the imaginations of
non-Aztecs was the predominance of human sacrifice. This had been practiced
all throughout the Mesoamerican world, but the Tenochca practiced it at a
scale never seen before or since. We don't know a great deal about the
details, but we have a fairly good idea of its general character and
justification. Throughout Mesoamerica, the theology involved the concept
that the gods gave things to human beings only if they were nourished by
human beings. Among the Maya, for instance, the priests would nourish the
gods by drawing their own blood by piercing their tongues, ears,
extremities, or genitals. Other sacrifices involved prayer, offerings of
food, sports, and even dramas. The Aztecs practiced all of these
sacrifices, including blood-letting. But the Aztec theologians also
developed the notion that the gods are best nourished by the living hearts
of sacrificed captives; the braver the captive, the more nourishing the
sacrifice. This theology led to widespread wars of conquest in search of
sacrificial victims both captured in war and paid as tribute by a conquered
people.
	   We can successfully reconstruct Aztec human sacrifice with a high level
of accuracy. Some sacrifices were very minimal, involving the sacrifice of
a slave to a minor god, and some were very spectacular, involving hundreds
or thousands of captives. Aztec history claims that Ahuitzotl (1468-1502),
who preceded Mocteuzma II as king, sacrificed 20,000 people after a
campaign in Oaxaca ("O-a-sha-ka"). No matter what the size of the
sacrifice, it was always performed the same way. The victim was held down
by four priests on an altar at the top of a pyramid or raised temple while
the officiant made an incision below the rib cage and pulled out the living
heart. The heart was then burned and the corpse was pushed down the steep
steps; a very brave or noble victim was carried down the steps. The most
brutal of human sacrifices were those dedicated to the god Huehueteotl.
Sacrificial victims were drugged and then thrown into a fire at the top of
the ceremonial platform. Before they were killed by the fire, they were
dragged out with hooks and their living hearts were pulled out and thrown
back into the fire. "

> A kaj da neki vanzemaljci zakljuce da smo mi zlocinacka rasa (sto i jesmo,
> svi mi, i ateisti i krscani i budisti, indijanci, hrvati srbi, ameri,
> rusi...), imaju li nas onda pravo istrijebiti?

U osnovi, da. Svaka civilizacija je odgovorna za svoje postupke, i ako je
netko izvana suoci s tom odgovornoscu, ne vidim u tome neki problem.
Recimo, vanzemaljci bi mogli doci, pogledati koliko ljudi gladuje dok se
10% razmece bogatstvom, pogledati koliko bezobzirno vladajuce strukture
iskoristavaju planetarne resurse, istrebljuju druge vrste i zagadjuju
planetu, koliko su ljudi okrutni prema zivotinjama koje masovno uzgajaju za
hranu u apsolutno nehumanim uvjetima, i s punim pravom zakljucili da je
ljudska vrsta neki posebno gadan oblik evolucijskog zastranjenja.

> Kaj su njima indijanci smetali? Znas li ti uopce ZASTO su ih istrijebili?
> RADI ZLATA!!!! 

Jako upitna tvrdnja. Motivacijski sklop je bio daleko slozeniji i
ukljucivao je prije svega kulturu Europe tadasnjeg doba, koja je bila posve
nesposobna koegzistirati s necim sto je u tolikoj mjeri razlicito i cak
suprotno svemu, na cemu je sagradjena europska kultura. Primjerice, kad
tadasnjem spanjolskom ili portugalskom krscaninu katoliku pokazes kulturu
koja prakticira masovne ljudske zrtve u slavu mnogobozacke religije, i da
je sve puno okrutnih i bezumnih rituala koje svi slijede poput zombija,
njegova prva asocijacija je da je takva kultura esencijalno zla i da je
treba pomesti s lica zemlje, i dat ce svaku kap krvi da to ostvari. Zlato
je tu eventualno bonus, ali niposto nije primarna motivacija. Isto tako,
nisu svuda krscanski misionari tako reagirali. Primjerice, citao sam kako
su s velikim postovanjem opisivali Japance, koje su drzali najboljim
ljudima koje su igdje na svijetu sreli.

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