Autor: sinisa.turina@zg.tel.hr (Danijel Turina)
Datum: 1997-08-18 20:38:10
Grupe: hr.fido.religija
Tema: Teachers
Linija: 98
Message-ID: 33f8958c.44939129@news.tel.hr

Nisam mogao izdrzati, upravo sam procitao jedan divan Lobsterov (E
Jason) tekst s Kundalini-liste:

ori^ wrote:
> When is it appropriate to walk the path learning from someone else?
> When is it appropriate to follow one's own path... and develop one's
> own work?

When a child speaks wisdom, the child is your teacher
When the teacher wants nothing from you
you must offer everything
Genuine teachers are not an inspiration but a perspiration
they make you sweat
make you work at finding your own salvation
You can only be your own teacher when you are able to travel 
where you do not wish to go
We all need a Teacher
otherwise we become lazy and complacent
Even those of great realisation have teachers
but then they have learnt not to question
but to find answers . . .


Most Kind Regards
Lobster


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Evo, opet ja :), jos nesto, ovaj put od Glorie Greco:

Ori wrote
> In the recent month, I have found myself (a statement all inclusive
> in itself!! ;) opening to the idea of returning to school to get
> a 2nd Masters Degree which would allow me to become more fully
> who I am in pursuing my work in the world.  It is clear that if
> I wish to seek certain credentials, then I must jump through certain
> hoops and take classes from teachers in a university.
> 
> And yet... this is where I find myself questioning the role of a
> teacher in one's life.  A teacher can facilitate one's learning of
> knowledge in a field which one is unfamiliar with.  But at what
> point does one take the plunge and begin to facilitate one's own
> learning?  When does one solicit the guidance of a teacher...
> a fellow wayfinder upon the path, vs. opening directly to the
> information to receive it in a direct way?
> 
> This thinking started when I saw Barbara Brennan speak in an
> evening lecture.  She has a lot of valuable information that she
> has received, found, discovered, created... and a lot of students
> can learn from the work she has done.  But then I started wondering
> why cannot each of us open to receive, find, discover, create equally
> valuable information?
> 
> When is it appropriate to walk the path learning from someone else?
> When is it appropriate to follow one's own path... and develop one's
> own work?
> 
> Is it as simple as differing personality types?
> or is there something more fundamental...
> 

Ori,
	It is a matter of being told from within what is right for
you.  There are a lot of teachers out there passing along information
that is gathered from books or listening to someone speak. This is not
a teacher. A teacher is one with direct experience that has manifest
it in consciousness, and has gone beyond the teachings because it is
real, here and now. A teacher is also one who works in the spiritual
plane and brings down the teachings from having been with those that
are being taught. In other words, you meet and work with the teacher
out of body first, and then if and when the time is right you may meet
in the body. Now, we may be confusing what you mean by teacher, this
is how spirit works beyond the illusion. It is not what is manifest on
the world stage in terms of those making a business out of teaching. 
	When spirit took me into teaching I didn't have a choice it
just happened. This is because you don't think about it, it manifests
without doing anything and then you know that God has directed and
created situations that this is naturally connecting with. 	   
        Remember what is missing out there is total spontaneous
action. When people teach from materials gathered, or memorized, etc.
they are not teaching they are only passing on information. The
educational system is built on this precept, but spiritual teaching is
alive to the moment, and there is no plan or projection into what is
coming through, this is very rare, but it is what a real teacher is.
Can you be that open and spontaneous without thought, and totally
detached from the results, plus ready to step out there taking the
responsbility for what goes out. 
	 To teach means you consciously take on the responsbility of
working with a soul plus it is through working with divine will which
uses your energy to ground with, that the lessons manifest. Very big
difference from the other side. You then are spiritually connected
with every soul that is in this movement, you are not just connected
for the hour two or three that you are with that person, but forever.
Gloria

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