On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:32:35 +0100, VizantOr * wrote:

> Kr??Ä?ani su nauÄ?nike spaljivali!

Sorry, krivo. Nisu, nikad, nijednoga. To je antikrscanska propaganda
smisljena u kasnije doba. Krscani su radili svakakve grozne stvari, ali
nisu spaljivali znanstvenike. Naprotiv, vecina znanstvenika u srednjem
vijeku su uzivali zastitu crkve, ili su i sami bili svecenici.
S druge strane, muslimani su i te kako ubijali svoje znanstvenike. U
islamskoj drzavi ima mjesta samo za "pravovjernu" znanost. To je razlog
zasto ne postoje islamski znanstvenici vrijedni spomena. Naime, u klimi
koja je toliko protivna svakom istrazivanju koje bi moglo poljuljati
gluposti koje pisu u Kur'anu, znanstvenik naprosto nije u stanju biti
kreativan u onoj mjeri u kojoj to moze biti u pozitivnoj okolini nekog
zapadnog sveucilista. Rezultat? Sva znanost je na zapadu. U zemlje
nepovoljne po znanstvenike na zalost moram ubrojiti i Hrvatsku, ciji su
najveci znanstveni umovi emigrirali u inozemstvo, zbog silne birokracije i
mnostva aparatcika koji inhibiraju sve kreativne pomake. Kad je tako u
Hrvatskoj, koja je u osnovi liberalna demokracija, moze se lako zamisliti
zasto znanosti u represivnim teokracijama naprosto nema.

Ceterum censeo:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ohmyrus20808.htm
	
Izvadak:

To be sure, the Muslim world did produce many noted poets, philosophers and
scientists â?? Al-Farabi, Al-Razi (a famous physician), Avicenna, Averroes
etc. After the 7th century conquests of major part of the Byzantine empire
and the Persian empire, the Arabs came into contact with more advanced
civilizations â?? Christian, Zoroastrian and Hindu. They were eager to learn
and acquire knowledge.

Books were translated into Arabic and the Caliphs were happy to employ
non-Muslims, especially Peoples of the Book, to serve them. Greek science
and philosophy were taught in schools and there was a fusion of Islamic
ideas and Greek rationality. This inevitably led to a clash with the
conservative religious scholars.

These scholars believed that all knowledge came from Godâ??s revelation and
philosophical and scientific inquiry will ultimately lead to unbelief.
Those scientists and philosophers, while not rejecting (at least publicly)
Islam believed that truth could also be derived from human reason. Human
reason can be reconciled with Godâ??s revelations.

The Muâ??tazilites belonged to this rational school that had confidence in
human reasoning. They initially enjoyed the protection of the caliphs and
persecuted those who disagreed with them. But later they fell out of
favour. A theologian, Al Ashari, who subordinated reason to revelation,
dealt the rationalist Muâ??tazilites a mortal wound.

About two centuries later, Al-Ghazali drove in the final nail thus ending
the influence of Greek rationality in Islamic thinking. He wrote, â??The
source of their infidelity was their hearing terrible names such as
Socrates and Hippocrates, Plato and Aristotle.â??

He opposed the spirit of free inquiry saying that certain of the natural
sciences were opposed to religion. He led Muslims back to an unquestioning
literal interpretation of the Koran. The traditionalists had finally won.
Science lost.

It should be noted that most of the scientists, poets and philosophers in
Islamâ??s golden age (the time of the Abassid Caliphate) were Jews,
Christians or Muslims who were suspected of apostasy or blasphemy. Many
suffered harassment and even death. Thus if science did flourish during
this golden age, it was in spite of Islam and not because of it.

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