On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:27:34 +0200, Valkyrian wrote:

Da za početak napišem nekakav radni zaključak na temelju dosadašnjeg tijeka
rasprave.
Ti tvrdiš da među rasama postoje bitne genetske razlike. Ja se s tim slažem
jer je stvar očigledna. Ti dalje tvrdiš da je crnačka rasa inferiorna
bjelačkoj u intelektualnim kapacitetima. Ja se s tim slažem jer su dokazi
neoborivi. To je, što se mene tiče, ne-sporni dio rasprave.
Ti dalje krećeš u potpuno upitnom smjeru i pokušavaš bez ikakvih valjanih
dokaza progurati i suprotnu tezu, dakle ne samo da su crnci inferiorni,
nego da su bijelci superiorna rasa. To je ono za što ja ne vidim nikakvih
dokaza. Ja opažam obrazac po kojem postoji svojevrsni plateau dostignuća
ljudske vrste u kojem uz male oscilacije participira većina ljudskih rasa -
bijelci, semiti, azijati i što već ne, ali da postoje određene rase koje su
ispod tog nivoa i ne uspijevaju participirati u najvišim civilizacijskim
dosezima. Koliki je u tome svemu udio biologije a koliko su krivi
sociološki faktori, to je teško ustanoviti, ali smatram posve nevjerojatnim
da su baš za sve krivi sociološki faktori. Recimo ne vidim neku razliku u
stupnju ekonomskog razvoja i sličnih stvari između Indije i Afrike u
kolonijalnom razdoblju, pa se svejedno trećina pojmova iz vrhunske fizike
zove po Indijcima a nijedan po afrikancima. Dakle Indijci su i u totalno
usranom razdoblju uspjeli participirati u intelektualnoj kremi ljudske
vrste, a s afričkim crncima možeš raditi što god hoćeš i probati ih
obrazovati kako hoćeš, svejedno nisu u stanju napraviti takvo nešto.
Afrike, praktički, nema na intelektualnoj karti svijeta.
Negdje sam čuo definiciju rasista kao osobe koja uvijek nekim čudom upravo
svoju rasu vidi kao superiornu. Tebe kao rasista ne određuje smatranje da
su crnci intelektualno inferiorni, jer za to nije potreban rasizam, nego
malo zdravog razuma i otvorenosti za činjenice. Kao rasista te određuje
pokušaj da sve vrijedno na silu pripišeš bijelcima.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dujiangyan_Irrigation_System

Dujiangyan is an irrigation infra-structure built in 256 BC during the
Warring States Period of China by the Kingdom of Qin. It is located in the
Min River in Sichuan Province, PR China, near the capital Chengdu. It is
still in use today and still irrigates over 5,300 square kilometers of land
in the region.

To nisu napravili nikakvi bijelci, nego Li Bing, guverner kraljevstva Qin. 

Qin governor Li Bing investigated the problem and discovered that the river
was swelled by the fast flowing spring melt-water from the local mountains
that burst the banks when it reached the slow moving and heavily silted
stretch below.

The most obvious solution would have been to build a dam but Li Bing had
also been charged with keeping the waterway open for military vessels to
supply troops on the frontier, so instead he preposed to construct an
artificial levee to redirect a portion of the river's flow and then to cut
a channel through Mount Yulei to discharge the excess water upon the dry
Chengdu Plain beyond.

Li Bing received 100,000 taels of silver for the project from King Zhao of
Qin and set to work with a team said to number tens of thousands. The levee
was constructed from long sausage-shaped basket of woven bamboo filled with
stones known as Zhulong held in place by wooden tripods known as Macha. The
massive construction took four years to complete.

Cutting the channel proved to be a far greater problem as the tools
available to him at the time, prior to the invention of gunpowder, were
unable to penetrate the hard rock of the mountain so he used a combination
of fire and water to heat and cool the rock until they cracked and could be
removed. After eight years of work a 20 m wide channel had been gouged
through the mountain.

After the system was finished, no more floods occurred. The irrigation made
Sichuan the most productive agricultural place in China. Li Bing was loved
so much that he became a god to the people there. On the east side of
Dujiangyan, people built a shrine in remembrance of Li Bing.


Kraj dokaza.

> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:11:55 +0200, Danijel Turina wrote:
> Bijelci su svugdje gradili piramide. 

:))
Ma kaj ne veliš.
Ajmo malo usporediti neke stvari:

http://www.stonepages.com/england/silburyhill.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan

Ako su, kako veliš, bijelci ti koji su gradili piramide, a druge rase su
inferiorne bijelcima, kako to da su piramide u Teotihuacanu toliko
superiorne svemu što se na tu temu može vidjeti u Europi? Čovjek bi
očekivao suprotno, ako je tvoja teza istinita - ono što su bijelci
napravili u svojoj izvornoj domovini trebalo bi biti savršeni prauzor i
bitno naprednije, a ono što su radili među urođenicima u primitivnim
zemljama bi trebalo biti blijeda kopija. U stvarnosti vidimo da je
suprotno. Pazi ovo: čitav grad Teotihuacan je građen metrički, dakle u
višekratnicima osnovne mjerne jedinice (TMU, poznat još i kao Hunab).
Štoviše, evo jedan znanstveni članak o tome:
http://tinyurl.com/5f7d42

The standardisation in architectural orientation and construction forms, as
well as the symmetric and highly proportional spatial distribution of
buildings, suggest that the major structures of Teotihuacan were laid out
from its inception according to a master plan (or plans) intended to
express a specific worldview in material form. Fractal analysis of the
Teotihuacan radar image and aerial photographs has confirmed that a master
plan does exist in this archaeological area. The Sierpinski carpet, one of
the best known deterministic fractal models, is proposed as the model for
Teotihuacan in two-dimensional Euclidean space. Its dimension (1?89) is
also proposed as the basic unit which joins in space the Mesoamerican
calendar and the buildings' geometrical measures. It is hypothesised that
inside the master plan of Teotihuacan, the information pertaining to space
is expressed across the two-dimensional planes, and that of time through
the pyramid verticals. A value of 0?83 m, which corroborates with the
Teotihuacan measurement unit (TMU) proposed by different anthropologists,
was derived from an analysis of the height of the Sun and Moon Pyramids.
These results open new prospects for future comparisons between different
settlements and monuments, that were supposedly constructed by the people
from Teotihuacan.	

Znaš što to znači? Apsolutno ništa u Europi građeno do najnovijeg doba nema
tu razinu matematike integriranu s arhitekturom. Ni stari Rim, ni Grčka, ni
Egipat, nitko. Stupanj apstraktnog mišljenja i planiranja potreban za
dizajn takve strukture nije bitno niži od onog potrebnog za let na Mjesec.

> Zapamti da je svaka civlizacija produkt rase, a jedina rasa koja je
> sposobna stvarat visoku civilizaciju je bijela rasa. 

Kao što Teotihuacan i Dujiangyan dokazuju. :)

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